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> Berlin until about 5 years ago had incredibly affordable housing for such a nice city Berlin, and may I add Vienna, are anomalies. Vienna's population peaked

by sampo 3y ago

> Berlin until about 5 years ago had incredibly affordable housing for such a nice city Berlin, and may I add Vienna, are anomalies. Vienna's population peaked in 1910. Berlin's population peaked in 1943. They were both capitals of an empire at their peak time. Then they became less important, and their population decreased. Now they have been in a very unique situation with their new population growth, because they already were designed for a larger population. You can't generalize from Berlin and Vienna to other, more normal, cities. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Population_of_Vienna.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Population_of_Vienna.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin#/media/File:Berlin_population2.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin#/media/File:Berlin_popu...

tin7in 3y ago
Not sure about Berlin but in the case of Vienna, social housing and legislation (Mietrechtsgesetz) are big factors. 25% of Vienna’s population lives in social housing which in turn regulates the market.
seanmcdirmid 3y ago
Yes. I’ve heard Berlin has been pricing up lately regardless. Maybe they’ve already worked through their historic inventory.
Apfel 3y ago
This makes a lot of sense. I think my own city (Glasgow) used to be considerably larger when it was an industrial powerhouse in shipbuilding and textiles and has fairly cheap housing nowadays as a result. It's been getting a bit more expensive due to Chinese students and also people moving north from England but it's still very affordable compared to most places.
horsestaple 3y ago
True if you look at the cities, but it misses the bigger picture. There was also a trend of people moving into the surrounding suburbs and smaller towns, and commuting to the inner city. If you look at the metro area, both have actually grown. https://www.macrotrends.net/cities/204296/berlin/population https://www.macrotrends.net/cities/204296/berlin/population https://www.macrotrends.net/cities/20107/vienna/population https://www.macrotrends.net/cities/20107/vienna/population

by sampo 3y ago

tin7in 3y ago

Not sure about Berlin but in the case of Vienna, social housing and legislation (Mietrechtsgesetz) are big factors. 25% of Vienna’s population lives in social housing which in turn regulates the market.

seanmcdirmid 3y ago

Yes. I’ve heard Berlin has been pricing up lately regardless. Maybe they’ve already worked through their historic inventory.

Apfel 3y ago

This makes a lot of sense. I think my own city (Glasgow) used to be considerably larger when it was an industrial powerhouse in shipbuilding and textiles and has fairly cheap housing nowadays as a result. It's been getting a bit more expensive due to Chinese students and also people moving north from England but it's still very affordable compared to most places.

horsestaple 3y ago

True if you look at the cities, but it misses the bigger picture. There was also a trend of people moving into the surrounding suburbs and smaller towns, and commuting to the inner city. If you look at the metro area, both have actually grown. https://www.macrotrends.net/cities/204296/berlin/population https://www.macrotrends.net/cities/204296/berlin/population https://www.macrotrends.net/cities/20107/vienna/population https://www.macrotrends.net/cities/20107/vienna/population