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It’s not shameful that people try to grab power to stop evil, it’s natural. What’s shameful is that we don’t have more political checks against these type of po
by dcow 3y ago
It’s not shameful that people try to grab power to stop evil, it’s natural. What’s shameful is that we don’t have more political checks against these type of power grabs. And that citizens who could stand up and fight against abusive surveillance are increasingly apathetic.
- errantmind 3y agoThe statement is that it is shameful to grab for powers that invade the privacy of law abiding citizens.
- ethbr1 3y agoThe quandary is that powers that "invade the privacy of law abiding citizens" are also powers "to stop evil." Pretending they aren't is part of the problem, as it empowers those who would push them to publicly advertise the latter good in a vacuum of silence from the tech side. Something like 'Personal privacy is more important than maximizing law enforcement efficiency, including of CSAM' is a more honest, complete position.
- qwytw 3y ago> to stop evil It's not at all obvious whether stopping CSAM is really the primary goal of some of the people who are pushing these regulations. It seems just like a justification to invade personal privacy.
- throwaway290 3y agoYou are speculating about intents some other people might have. Let's take the issue in vacuum first. Either you hold your privacy as more important than X, or you are willing to compromise some of your privacy in the name of X-- there's no third option. Eg. in case of airport security or CCTV in some public space suddenly everyone is OK compromising personal privacy in the name of personal life and safety. Now finally let's get back to those other people whom you suspect of having an agenda to surveil everybody. If they honestly tried to combat child abuse, how do you see them going about it?
- notpushkin 3y ago> in case of airport security Not everyone is OK – lots of people argue it's a security theatre.
- pasc1878 3y agoSopmer of it is theatre but screening people to make sure they don't have a bomb ios not theatre - people will do this as has been shown.
- throwaway290 3y agoIt is a bit weird in that screening started only after bombing... a useful metric would be to see how many times bookings/hijackings were thwarted. (which I would guess many)
- pasc1878 3y agoNo screening started after hijacking in the 1970s.
- throwaway290 3y agoLet's see if you think it's a security theatre next time you fly from Jordan to Israel. Or actually anywhere within the US, where gun carry is allowed...
- whelp_24 3y ago"If they honestly tried to combat child abuse, how do you see them going about it?" Detective work, stake outs, researching who makes this stuff, convicting the actual producers, convicting people who do direct abuse... In general, taking real steps instead of reading everyone's dairy and then doing nothing.
- throwaway290 3y ago> Detective work, stake outs So, physical surveillance. Idk if you are aware but this means physical surveillance on everyone, because with Tor you can't narrow this stuff geographically. Would you rather to be physically surveilled. > researching who makes this stuff, convicting the actual producers, convicting people who do direct abuse First it already happened when they used to expose identifying details. Those days are over. Second, more importantly, what you described does nothing about resellers, aka the people who keep the abuse economy running and make money from it. And please. Hash matching is not dairy reading. And on the likely chance my dairy happens to have 1:1 collision with a know cp video, I would not mind if someone being able to look at it if it meant they also can look at the actual thing and identify reseller/perpetrator. How can you think differently?
- colordrops 3y agoIt's absolutely shameful. These people are not naive children. They know exactly the ramifications of the tradeoff, which indicates that they are not doing so in good faith, but rather at the behest of vested interests.
- justinclift 3y agoOr they're mentally unsound of some variety.
- ekianjo 3y ago> try to grab power to stop evil, it’s natural Those who seek this kind of power over others are themselves EVIL by definition
- noobermin 3y agoPedantic but I would still say it's shameful although expected. Like that it is shameful to have your car stolen if you leave it unlocked with the keys in clear view on the driver's seat, although it is expected.
- Xelbair 3y agoMostly because they can go for those power grabs again, and again - ad nauseam. After a while populace is just bored of fighting, and only few people care.
- ajsnigrutin 3y agoThe problem is, that we have to complain loudly every goddamn time, get the media, protest, write articles, etc., to get them to pull back. They only have to succeed once, and the law is written and stamped.
- dcow 3y agoI know, sigh. Which is exactly why we need more structural defense against this behavior. I think it’s about time for a modern day constitutional convention.
- lost_tourist 3y agoPeople who prefer liberty over tyranny have to win almost every time, it's only takes one failure to lose liberty for a hundred--two hundred?-- years.