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It's ironic to me that the EU led the charge in cookie notices and is now pushing this. Although one is privacy from corporations and the other is privacy from

It's ironic to me that the EU led the charge in cookie notices and is now pushing this. Although one is privacy from corporations and the other is privacy from the government.

userbinator 3y ago
It's called authoritarianism.
- personomas 3y ago
  Definitely, it's this. The EU treats companies like they're horrible monsters, and then looks away when it does far worse shit. It's (the EU's) authoritative to companies by suppressing them with penalties and bueacratic laws, but allows itself (the governments and states) unending tolerance in whatever it does.
  - brabel 3y ago
    > then looks away when it does far worse shit. > but allows itself (the governments and states) unending tolerance in whatever it does. Could you clarify what are these horrible things the EU has done that you're referring to?
    - personomas 3y ago
      https://www.privacyaffairs.com/gdpr-fines/ https://www.privacyaffairs.com/gdpr-fines/ And soon what's coming is even worse: digital markets act. Which allows the EU to fine companies up to 10% of their yearly revenue. That's just the obvious stuff that I can write about. I live here and have experienced it personally how Germany treats businesses.
      - brabel 3y ago
        Ah, thanks for clarifying it: you're against GDPR! Difficult to sympathize, sorry. Being against encryption backdoors is very different from being against any legislation meant to actually protect privacy, and I find that the two are actually conflicting positions.
        personomas 3y ago
        Then you really don't understand GDPR. GDPR is not about protecting privacy, GDPR is most of all about giving the legislator the opportunity to rip into businesses. Have you actually read GDPR? I have.
        taway1237 3y ago
        I have read and helped implement GDPR in my country. It's the greatest thing that happened to online privacy, finally a law that has teeth and can influence big tech. It empowers me as a citizen and makes me feel my data has value again. I have high hopes digital markets act will be as good.
        personomas 3y ago
        You're crazy. Meanwhile our economies are literally beginning to shrink, our enemies are becoming stronger than us then going to war against us (Russia, Azerbaijan, Serbia, China, North Korea) and the world is on fire. But I am so happy your data is safe - like anyone gives a shit about you anyways.
        brabel 3y ago
        You should consider trying to be a bit less aggressive if you're actually trying to improve the world. It's because of some people having such extreme, aggressive behavior that conflicts (such as the ones you're complaining about) start.
        personomas 3y ago
        I don't think I'm being aggressive. I think you should be less presumptuous. It's hard to imagine that his data is so important, that he's so wanted, that people care about his so much, that GDPR will make any difference whatsoever on his life. On the contrary, the world is burning, clock is ticking, and you're complaining about me being aggressive on HN?
        3y ago
Proven 3y ago
Why would that be ironic? It's one and the same thing. They disregard property rights and order everyone about. The reason this seems strange to you is you didn't care when they did that to Web site operators.
- ethbr1 3y ago
  It's a distinction between method and goal. 'Authoritarian supporters of privacy' is a position it's possible to take. Which begs the question of whether democratic/authoritarian or surveillance/privacy is the more important characteristic.
sambazi 3y ago
> EU led the charge in cookie notices you got it backwards eu: cookies/tracking is bad, don't do it. if you _really_ need to, you have to ask. big-tech: fuck this! of course we need to track users. we're just gonna ask everyone all the time and put the blame back on you.

It's ironic to me that the EU led the charge in cookie notices and is now pushing this. Although one is privacy from corporations and the other is privacy from the government.

userbinator 3y ago

It's called authoritarianism.

personomas 3y ago
Definitely, it's this. The EU treats companies like they're horrible monsters, and then looks away when it does far worse shit. It's (the EU's) authoritative to companies by suppressing them with penalties and bueacratic laws, but allows itself (the governments and states) unending tolerance in whatever it does.
- brabel 3y ago
  > then looks away when it does far worse shit. > but allows itself (the governments and states) unending tolerance in whatever it does. Could you clarify what are these horrible things the EU has done that you're referring to?
  - personomas 3y ago
    https://www.privacyaffairs.com/gdpr-fines/ https://www.privacyaffairs.com/gdpr-fines/ And soon what's coming is even worse: digital markets act. Which allows the EU to fine companies up to 10% of their yearly revenue. That's just the obvious stuff that I can write about. I live here and have experienced it personally how Germany treats businesses.
    - brabel 3y ago
      Ah, thanks for clarifying it: you're against GDPR! Difficult to sympathize, sorry. Being against encryption backdoors is very different from being against any legislation meant to actually protect privacy, and I find that the two are actually conflicting positions.
      - personomas 3y ago
        Then you really don't understand GDPR. GDPR is not about protecting privacy, GDPR is most of all about giving the legislator the opportunity to rip into businesses. Have you actually read GDPR? I have.
        taway1237 3y ago
        I have read and helped implement GDPR in my country. It's the greatest thing that happened to online privacy, finally a law that has teeth and can influence big tech. It empowers me as a citizen and makes me feel my data has value again. I have high hopes digital markets act will be as good.
        personomas 3y ago
        You're crazy. Meanwhile our economies are literally beginning to shrink, our enemies are becoming stronger than us then going to war against us (Russia, Azerbaijan, Serbia, China, North Korea) and the world is on fire. But I am so happy your data is safe - like anyone gives a shit about you anyways.
        brabel 3y ago
        You should consider trying to be a bit less aggressive if you're actually trying to improve the world. It's because of some people having such extreme, aggressive behavior that conflicts (such as the ones you're complaining about) start.
        personomas 3y ago
        I don't think I'm being aggressive. I think you should be less presumptuous. It's hard to imagine that his data is so important, that he's so wanted, that people care about his so much, that GDPR will make any difference whatsoever on his life. On the contrary, the world is burning, clock is ticking, and you're complaining about me being aggressive on HN?
        3y ago

Proven 3y ago

Why would that be ironic? It's one and the same thing. They disregard property rights and order everyone about. The reason this seems strange to you is you didn't care when they did that to Web site operators.

ethbr1 3y ago
It's a distinction between method and goal. 'Authoritarian supporters of privacy' is a position it's possible to take. Which begs the question of whether democratic/authoritarian or surveillance/privacy is the more important characteristic.

sambazi 3y ago

> EU led the charge in cookie notices you got it backwards eu: cookies/tracking is bad, don't do it. if you _really_ need to, you have to ask. big-tech: fuck this! of course we need to track users. we're just gonna ask everyone all the time and put the blame back on you.