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How can someone who likes viewing this look at a child on the street and not see them as a sexual object? The thoughts/fantasies you harbor while viewing image

How can someone who likes viewing this look at a child on the street and not see them as a sexual object? The thoughts/fantasies you harbor while viewing images on a screen do not magically turn off when you step outside. It sticks with you and shapes how you view the world. It encourages the moral decay of our society and puts our kids (and the future of society) at risk.

at_a_remove 3y ago
Ah, ye olde moral decay! Won't somebody stop them from thinking of the children! Just contemplate the long, long history of moral decay panics and what they were panicking over. That's why that is no longer taken seriously.
RcouF1uZ4gsC 3y ago
The exact same thing could be said about all pornography. It is a very interesting discussion to have.
lostNFound 3y ago
For the same reason as has already been cited on this thread, that is the same argument as videogames violence etc. Do you not have any kinks? I have a fair amount and the ones I like in porn, I don’t like in real life. The ones I like in real life I don’t really like in porn. So, specifically concerning your first sentence, which in my opinion is intended as an argument, even though it’s just a question and doesn’t offer any backing, the answer is no.
- candiodari 3y ago
  This is South Korea, you know where they popularize this with at one point less than 14 year old girls: https://www.koreaboo.com/lists/kpop-idols-youngest-currently-industry/ https://www.koreaboo.com/lists/kpop-idols-youngest-currently... (and she's now slightly over 14, and I do mean slightly. Long way to her 15th birthday) https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2_5AZjAoMi0 https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2_5AZjAoMi0 (you might want to watch this one in incognito mode. I mean it's youtube, so it's "not sexual", but calling it SFW is lunacy. you'll see what I mean) At least she looks like she might be 16 ... In short: I feel like this society is long past the idea of sexualizing kids being perfectly OK. Obviously, I have kids, I'd like this guy to stop. But I do think, uh, could this whole young girls KPOP thing stop too, the whole thing? Obviously it is creating guys like this. In fact the guy is at least not using, and not hurting, real girls. Because yes, KPOP has lead to suicides by the "artist" girls, whereas this guy (correct me if I'm wrong) so far has not hurt a fly.
  - lostNFound 3y ago
    Police should just execute the plan they already had prepared and planned (I think it was a US federal agency) of releasing massive amounts of CGI CP to the dark web, absolutely flooding the market to such an extent that consumers can’t realize which is which. Which, at the same tine, makes it pointless for someone to pay for it when the “fake” one is equal and legal, and more in quantity. Also even if your fetish is so grotesquely immense that it has affected you to the extent that you need the REAL REAL one, the seller will probably just resell you one of the police fake ones for 0 risk and profit off of you being a dumbass. There’d be 0 reason to produce or share real one anymore or even sell it. Important thing, you can generate CGI or AI images without them being trained specifically by the thing you want. Like you need banana cake just train them with bananas and also cakes. The equivalence of what “bananas” and “cakes” are for this argument, are left to the reader of this comment, who I assume intelligent, as I think it’s gross and unnecessary to make it explicit.
  - throwaway14050 3y ago
    This is not much different from cheerleaders (including the outfits and age groups) commonly found in Europe as well as US.
- Kretinsky 3y ago
  Many alternative sexual behaviors have been popularized by porn. Smoking was made glamour by movies. How is it hard to understand?
  - kergonath 3y ago
    Please provide some evidence. How is it hard to understand?
    - Kretinsky 3y ago
      https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32081698/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32081698/ "Lifetime pornography use was reported by most respondents. After adjusting for age, age at first porn exposure, and current relationship status, the associations between pornography use and sexual behaviors was statistically significant"
      - imchillyb 3y ago
        Since you like copying and pasting the same irrelevant drivel… No causation, only correlation. Hey here’s one for you: Every porn addict, pedophile, and rapist drinks water. If you drink water then you’re a rapist!!! See how ludicrous your statements are… all over this thread. You keep repeating the same correlative results as causative and the causation has been debunked by the entire world’s scientists. Doom didn’t make kids shoot up a school. Mission impossible didn’t create an entire generation of super spies. And porn didn’t create rapists. Quit with your complete BS, @kretinsky
SeanAnderson 3y ago
Do you feel that viewing something influences behavior to the point of tangible effect with all visual depictions, just pornographic depictions, or just drawn children?
happytoexplain 3y ago
The assertion is not that this isn't a sign that a person might harm somebody regardless of their access to the images, or that looking at these images increases their likelihood of harming somebody. Those are big arguments and I have no idea what the data says. There's a separate issue, which is that it's highly uncivilized and dangerous to imprison people for what is essentially thought crime (the important caveats here being that he did not distribute the images and that they were not produced by harming anybody), but also his behavior is highly disturbing because of the emotional nature of the crime that it might indicate a preclusion to. Those two factors come into very strong conflict. Personally I think codified punishment of being "disgusting" or "appearing to want to do something illegal" is a vastly greater evil than looking at fake child porn, both morally and practically. Of course, ultimately the people constituting a society decide (indirectly) what is illegal, and their morality-emotions will unavoidably be expressed in laws as far as their framework allows (e.g. the constitution). However, if enough members of the society align on the same morality-emotions, you can reach a critical mass that allows for changing the framework, which is the real terror I feel when I see stories like this.
- Kretinsky 3y ago
  You mean TV advertising is useless then? This is probably one the most researched question of the modern world and you know the answer.
  - kergonath 3y ago
    Studies have been looking into this effect (whether media consumption leads to more violent behaviour). They did not find anything. Death metal does not turn people into church-burning Satan worshiper, Doom did not cause Columbine, Hollywood movies did not increase homicide rates, and there hasn’t been an explosion of rape cases as porn became ubiquitous. Stop moving the goalposts and your transparents appeals to emotion all over the discussion. If you have data or sources, show them.
    - Kretinsky 3y ago
      https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32081698/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32081698/ "Lifetime pornography use was reported by most respondents. After adjusting for age, age at first porn exposure, and current relationship status, the associations between pornography use and sexual behaviors was statistically significant" Also, would you argue that culture has no effect on behaviors? What a strange take.
jschveibinz 3y ago
I want to agree with you. However, controlling thoughts is not only impossible and futile, it is a greater moral wrong in my opinion. The day we get to society trying to control our thoughts (and not just our words) is the day I want to go hide in the woods and pray for society’s salvation.
- camhart 3y ago
  You absolutely can and should control your thoughts. It's not futile. It's not societies job to control anyone's thoughts (neither am I arguing that society should try--that sounds like pure evil), however it is each individuals job to do so.
  - Jigsy 3y ago
    > You absolutely can and should control your thoughts. Don't think about Mickey Mouse.
    - camhart 3y ago
      I can't stop a bird from flying over my head, but I can stop it from making a nest there.
      - leptons 3y ago
        So because you can stop a bird from making a nest over your head, now that means that we should stop thinking about things you don't think we should think about?? You're making a mess of this comment thread.
        hudon 3y ago
        it's possible to train yourself to resist against intrusive thoughts. If you indulge in them, your resistance goes down and they reappear more often and stronger. It's like a muscle.
  - catlover76 3y ago
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devchix 3y ago
>How can someone who likes viewing this look at a child on the street and not see them as a sexual object? Is this a crime? Things that are inside your head, who else can say what can exist there, other than you yourself?
- Kretinsky 3y ago
  It is not a crime to keep things in your head, however, because there's a strong risk that one with pedo tendencies enact on it, we shouldn't feed this sexual desire.
SenAnder 3y ago
> How can someone who likes viewing this look at a child on the street and not see them as a sexual object? You have causation backwards. They look at it because they see children sexually, not the other way around. If it worked how you propose, then homosexuality could be changed to heterosexuality simply by viewing the right porn - and vice-versa. If you think gender is different than age, try making yourself attracted to 70+ year-old women by viewing porn featuring them.
- camhart 3y ago
  Its not backwards. It may be circular. They view it because they want to, but viewing it doesn't satisfy the craving long term. It reinforces it.
  - SenAnder 3y ago
    Current evidence suggests that it is not - as the availability of porn grew, incidence of rape fell [1]. Perhaps child porn is a special case where it works the opposite, but I know of no evidence to suggest this. [1] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-sunny-side-of-smut/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-sunny-side-of...
    - camhart 3y ago
      There are ample studies that show that porn use does increase rape. The results are mixed. Declaring that "current evidence" says otherwise is false. Update: See studies referenced at https://fightthenewdrug.org/violence-and-rape-connected-with-porn/ https://fightthenewdrug.org/violence-and-rape-connected-with.... The source the parent provided does not claim what the parent claims. The article starts with a caveat stating "for most people".
      - infinitezest 3y ago
        Parent comment posted a source with their claim. Do you have any for yours?
kaycey2022 3y ago
Well as long as one keeps their mental rot within themselves, I don't see how its anyone's business. Thought policing is much more dangerous for society (and the children) than someone's private nonsense.
- Kretinsky 3y ago
  And if he doesn't ? It's a bit like drunk driving, as long as someone doesn't hit another car while drunk, it's ok?
  - nomdep 3y ago
    If he plays a race car game while drunk, yes, it’s ok, because is not real. The same with the computer-generated images that look like children but they are not more real than the cars in the game
  - kaycey2022 3y ago
    Drunk driving is not the right example. A vehicle is basically a weapon and society regulates whether you can use it or not. A computer and some software for personal consumption is much more private. Unless society decides that computer usage must be regulated and needs a license, comparing these 2 is wrong. Understanding that people deal with some dysfunction or the other is the cost of living in a free society. Everyone struggles with some inner demons. Some much more than others. But we largely trust that they can keep these impulses in control. I don't advocate at all that we must empathise with those having this sort of disorder but we must allow people to deal with these issues privately. Better, more vigilant policing is the answer. The impulse to stop crime from happening at the point it takes root in someone's mind is just the road to the worst kind of tyranny.
btilly 3y ago
You're confusing cause and effect. We certainly don't know what drives sexual attraction in our brains. But we do know that it is darned hard to change. People can't choose to be straight vs gay. Gay people remain gay people even when they hate themselves for it, and even in places where they face the death penalty for it. (True, bisexual people do wind up choosing to only act on heterosexual interest in such places. But again the wiring does not get affected by society's approval.) There have been decades of research into pornography and sexual violence. As https://www.utsa.edu/today/2020/08/story/pornography-sex-crimes-study.html https://www.utsa.edu/today/2020/08/story/pornography-sex-cri... says, the overall conclusion is that pornography does not increase sexual violence. So to this topic. I no more believe that people have a choice about being pedophiles than I believe that people have a choice about being gay. The significant difference is that gay people can be consensually gay with other gay people. Pedophiles cannot consensually abuse children. Disclaimer. This is a personal topic. I was homosexually abused as a child. I deeply understand the importance of the topic. Which is why I care that people think clearly about it. Because I value clarity of thought, I consider arguments about encouraging moral decay, or encouraging pedophilia to be complete and utter bullshit. Arguments should be rooted in reality. Those arguments just use revulsion to shy away from the painful truth. Here is the painful truth. Some fraction of (overwhelmingly) men have a strong sexual interest in children that they struggle with acting on. Nobody really knows what makes someone have that interest. It almost certainly is an orientation that is fixed before puberty. We know of no way to change it. Therefore we have the same four rational choices that we do with every other such "unnatural sexual desire". 1. Kill those men. 2. Lock those men away permanently. 3. Accept that they are among us, protect ourselves in some ways, and only punish those who prove unable to resist their impulses. 4. Make what those men want as normal. While many of us would be OK with the first two options, as a society we've chosen the third. With gays, opinion has swung over my lifetime towards taking the fourth option with gays. (I'm for it, but this is definitely a change.) Given that we're choosing the third option as a society, this jailing makes no sense to me. The guy found a harmless outlet for his perverse desires. Yay him? Don't let him work in childcare, but let's save jail for, I don't know, someone who actually ACTS on his desires?
- Kretinsky 3y ago
  Sorry but there is a link between pornography and sexual violence. See the litterature review here: https://psyarxiv.com/cw24q/download/?format=pdf https://psyarxiv.com/cw24q/download/?format=pdf Or here: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32081698/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32081698/ "Lifetime pornography use was reported by most respondents. After adjusting for age, age at first porn exposure, and current relationship status, the associations between pornography use and sexual behaviors was statistically significant" Also, "people are born gay" is quack science. If it's true, what else are people "born" into? Yes, sexual suggestion exists, either through social circles, or through culture, or advertising. Alternative sexual behaviors have exploded since porn went mainstream - did we experience a major genetic change? Anyway, just like you can entice people to smoke by showing Marylin Monroe smoking on the screen, you can entice people to develop an taste for pedophilia by showing them enticing CSAM. And because the consequences of pedophilia are one of the worst things for society, CSAM is forbiden.
greymalik 3y ago
> The thoughts/fantasies you harbor while viewing images on a screen do not magically turn off when you step outside Thoughts are not crimes.
- nilslindemann 3y ago
  > Thoughts are not crimes I disagree, Neo. Everything starts with a decision.
jmclnx 3y ago
> How can someone who likes viewing this look at a child on the street and not see them as a sexual object? I get what you are saying, but this quote could be changed to reference viewing adults as sexual objects. Thus eliminate all porn. *But*, I believe people who use child porn have some "wires" crossed in their brain. Too bad they could not voluntary get treatment in a good facility as opposed to being sent to prison. Also, IIRC, current medical research says people using child porn will eventually act-out, so if there was a place they can go and not have their name revealed, maybe things will get better. But I doubt that will ever happen, just about all Mental Diseases have stigma attached to them and this is the most stigmatized condition to have.

at_a_remove 3y ago

Ah, ye olde moral decay! Won't somebody stop them from thinking of the children! Just contemplate the long, long history of moral decay panics and what they were panicking over. That's why that is no longer taken seriously.

RcouF1uZ4gsC 3y ago

The exact same thing could be said about all pornography. It is a very interesting discussion to have.

lostNFound 3y ago

For the same reason as has already been cited on this thread, that is the same argument as videogames violence etc. Do you not have any kinks? I have a fair amount and the ones I like in porn, I don’t like in real life. The ones I like in real life I don’t really like in porn. So, specifically concerning your first sentence, which in my opinion is intended as an argument, even though it’s just a question and doesn’t offer any backing, the answer is no.

candiodari 3y ago
This is South Korea, you know where they popularize this with at one point less than 14 year old girls: https://www.koreaboo.com/lists/kpop-idols-youngest-currently-industry/ https://www.koreaboo.com/lists/kpop-idols-youngest-currently... (and she's now slightly over 14, and I do mean slightly. Long way to her 15th birthday) https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2_5AZjAoMi0 https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2_5AZjAoMi0 (you might want to watch this one in incognito mode. I mean it's youtube, so it's "not sexual", but calling it SFW is lunacy. you'll see what I mean) At least she looks like she might be 16 ... In short: I feel like this society is long past the idea of sexualizing kids being perfectly OK. Obviously, I have kids, I'd like this guy to stop. But I do think, uh, could this whole young girls KPOP thing stop too, the whole thing? Obviously it is creating guys like this. In fact the guy is at least not using, and not hurting, real girls. Because yes, KPOP has lead to suicides by the "artist" girls, whereas this guy (correct me if I'm wrong) so far has not hurt a fly.
- lostNFound 3y ago
  Police should just execute the plan they already had prepared and planned (I think it was a US federal agency) of releasing massive amounts of CGI CP to the dark web, absolutely flooding the market to such an extent that consumers can’t realize which is which. Which, at the same tine, makes it pointless for someone to pay for it when the “fake” one is equal and legal, and more in quantity. Also even if your fetish is so grotesquely immense that it has affected you to the extent that you need the REAL REAL one, the seller will probably just resell you one of the police fake ones for 0 risk and profit off of you being a dumbass. There’d be 0 reason to produce or share real one anymore or even sell it. Important thing, you can generate CGI or AI images without them being trained specifically by the thing you want. Like you need banana cake just train them with bananas and also cakes. The equivalence of what “bananas” and “cakes” are for this argument, are left to the reader of this comment, who I assume intelligent, as I think it’s gross and unnecessary to make it explicit.
- throwaway14050 3y ago
  This is not much different from cheerleaders (including the outfits and age groups) commonly found in Europe as well as US.
Kretinsky 3y ago
Many alternative sexual behaviors have been popularized by porn. Smoking was made glamour by movies. How is it hard to understand?
- kergonath 3y ago
  Please provide some evidence. How is it hard to understand?
  - Kretinsky 3y ago
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32081698/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32081698/ "Lifetime pornography use was reported by most respondents. After adjusting for age, age at first porn exposure, and current relationship status, the associations between pornography use and sexual behaviors was statistically significant"
    - imchillyb 3y ago
      Since you like copying and pasting the same irrelevant drivel… No causation, only correlation. Hey here’s one for you: Every porn addict, pedophile, and rapist drinks water. If you drink water then you’re a rapist!!! See how ludicrous your statements are… all over this thread. You keep repeating the same correlative results as causative and the causation has been debunked by the entire world’s scientists. Doom didn’t make kids shoot up a school. Mission impossible didn’t create an entire generation of super spies. And porn didn’t create rapists. Quit with your complete BS, @kretinsky

SeanAnderson 3y ago

Do you feel that viewing something influences behavior to the point of tangible effect with all visual depictions, just pornographic depictions, or just drawn children?

happytoexplain 3y ago

The assertion is not that this isn't a sign that a person might harm somebody regardless of their access to the images, or that looking at these images increases their likelihood of harming somebody. Those are big arguments and I have no idea what the data says. There's a separate issue, which is that it's highly uncivilized and dangerous to imprison people for what is essentially thought crime (the important caveats here being that he did not distribute the images and that they were not produced by harming anybody), but also his behavior is highly disturbing because of the emotional nature of the crime that it might indicate a preclusion to. Those two factors come into very strong conflict. Personally I think codified punishment of being "disgusting" or "appearing to want to do something illegal" is a vastly greater evil than looking at fake child porn, both morally and practically. Of course, ultimately the people constituting a society decide (indirectly) what is illegal, and their morality-emotions will unavoidably be expressed in laws as far as their framework allows (e.g. the constitution). However, if enough members of the society align on the same morality-emotions, you can reach a critical mass that allows for changing the framework, which is the real terror I feel when I see stories like this.

Kretinsky 3y ago
You mean TV advertising is useless then? This is probably one the most researched question of the modern world and you know the answer.
- kergonath 3y ago
  Studies have been looking into this effect (whether media consumption leads to more violent behaviour). They did not find anything. Death metal does not turn people into church-burning Satan worshiper, Doom did not cause Columbine, Hollywood movies did not increase homicide rates, and there hasn’t been an explosion of rape cases as porn became ubiquitous. Stop moving the goalposts and your transparents appeals to emotion all over the discussion. If you have data or sources, show them.
  - Kretinsky 3y ago
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32081698/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32081698/ "Lifetime pornography use was reported by most respondents. After adjusting for age, age at first porn exposure, and current relationship status, the associations between pornography use and sexual behaviors was statistically significant" Also, would you argue that culture has no effect on behaviors? What a strange take.

jschveibinz 3y ago

I want to agree with you. However, controlling thoughts is not only impossible and futile, it is a greater moral wrong in my opinion. The day we get to society trying to control our thoughts (and not just our words) is the day I want to go hide in the woods and pray for society’s salvation.

camhart 3y ago
You absolutely can and should control your thoughts. It's not futile. It's not societies job to control anyone's thoughts (neither am I arguing that society should try--that sounds like pure evil), however it is each individuals job to do so.
- Jigsy 3y ago
  > You absolutely can and should control your thoughts. Don't think about Mickey Mouse.
  - camhart 3y ago
    I can't stop a bird from flying over my head, but I can stop it from making a nest there.
    - leptons 3y ago
      So because you can stop a bird from making a nest over your head, now that means that we should stop thinking about things you don't think we should think about?? You're making a mess of this comment thread.
      - hudon 3y ago
        it's possible to train yourself to resist against intrusive thoughts. If you indulge in them, your resistance goes down and they reappear more often and stronger. It's like a muscle.
- catlover76 3y ago

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devchix 3y ago

>How can someone who likes viewing this look at a child on the street and not see them as a sexual object? Is this a crime? Things that are inside your head, who else can say what can exist there, other than you yourself?

Kretinsky 3y ago
It is not a crime to keep things in your head, however, because there's a strong risk that one with pedo tendencies enact on it, we shouldn't feed this sexual desire.

SenAnder 3y ago

> How can someone who likes viewing this look at a child on the street and not see them as a sexual object? You have causation backwards. They look at it because they see children sexually, not the other way around. If it worked how you propose, then homosexuality could be changed to heterosexuality simply by viewing the right porn - and vice-versa. If you think gender is different than age, try making yourself attracted to 70+ year-old women by viewing porn featuring them.

camhart 3y ago
Its not backwards. It may be circular. They view it because they want to, but viewing it doesn't satisfy the craving long term. It reinforces it.
- SenAnder 3y ago
  Current evidence suggests that it is not - as the availability of porn grew, incidence of rape fell [1]. Perhaps child porn is a special case where it works the opposite, but I know of no evidence to suggest this. [1] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-sunny-side-of-smut/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-sunny-side-of...
  - camhart 3y ago
    There are ample studies that show that porn use does increase rape. The results are mixed. Declaring that "current evidence" says otherwise is false. Update: See studies referenced at https://fightthenewdrug.org/violence-and-rape-connected-with-porn/ https://fightthenewdrug.org/violence-and-rape-connected-with.... The source the parent provided does not claim what the parent claims. The article starts with a caveat stating "for most people".
    - infinitezest 3y ago
      Parent comment posted a source with their claim. Do you have any for yours?

kaycey2022 3y ago

Well as long as one keeps their mental rot within themselves, I don't see how its anyone's business. Thought policing is much more dangerous for society (and the children) than someone's private nonsense.

Kretinsky 3y ago
And if he doesn't ? It's a bit like drunk driving, as long as someone doesn't hit another car while drunk, it's ok?
- nomdep 3y ago
  If he plays a race car game while drunk, yes, it’s ok, because is not real. The same with the computer-generated images that look like children but they are not more real than the cars in the game
- kaycey2022 3y ago
  Drunk driving is not the right example. A vehicle is basically a weapon and society regulates whether you can use it or not. A computer and some software for personal consumption is much more private. Unless society decides that computer usage must be regulated and needs a license, comparing these 2 is wrong. Understanding that people deal with some dysfunction or the other is the cost of living in a free society. Everyone struggles with some inner demons. Some much more than others. But we largely trust that they can keep these impulses in control. I don't advocate at all that we must empathise with those having this sort of disorder but we must allow people to deal with these issues privately. Better, more vigilant policing is the answer. The impulse to stop crime from happening at the point it takes root in someone's mind is just the road to the worst kind of tyranny.

btilly 3y ago

You're confusing cause and effect. We certainly don't know what drives sexual attraction in our brains. But we do know that it is darned hard to change. People can't choose to be straight vs gay. Gay people remain gay people even when they hate themselves for it, and even in places where they face the death penalty for it. (True, bisexual people do wind up choosing to only act on heterosexual interest in such places. But again the wiring does not get affected by society's approval.) There have been decades of research into pornography and sexual violence. As https://www.utsa.edu/today/2020/08/story/pornography-sex-crimes-study.html https://www.utsa.edu/today/2020/08/story/pornography-sex-cri... says, the overall conclusion is that pornography does not increase sexual violence. So to this topic. I no more believe that people have a choice about being pedophiles than I believe that people have a choice about being gay. The significant difference is that gay people can be consensually gay with other gay people. Pedophiles cannot consensually abuse children. Disclaimer. This is a personal topic. I was homosexually abused as a child. I deeply understand the importance of the topic. Which is why I care that people think clearly about it. Because I value clarity of thought, I consider arguments about encouraging moral decay, or encouraging pedophilia to be complete and utter bullshit. Arguments should be rooted in reality. Those arguments just use revulsion to shy away from the painful truth. Here is the painful truth. Some fraction of (overwhelmingly) men have a strong sexual interest in children that they struggle with acting on. Nobody really knows what makes someone have that interest. It almost certainly is an orientation that is fixed before puberty. We know of no way to change it. Therefore we have the same four rational choices that we do with every other such "unnatural sexual desire". 1. Kill those men. 2. Lock those men away permanently. 3. Accept that they are among us, protect ourselves in some ways, and only punish those who prove unable to resist their impulses. 4. Make what those men want as normal. While many of us would be OK with the first two options, as a society we've chosen the third. With gays, opinion has swung over my lifetime towards taking the fourth option with gays. (I'm for it, but this is definitely a change.) Given that we're choosing the third option as a society, this jailing makes no sense to me. The guy found a harmless outlet for his perverse desires. Yay him? Don't let him work in childcare, but let's save jail for, I don't know, someone who actually ACTS on his desires?

Kretinsky 3y ago
Sorry but there is a link between pornography and sexual violence. See the litterature review here: https://psyarxiv.com/cw24q/download/?format=pdf https://psyarxiv.com/cw24q/download/?format=pdf Or here: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32081698/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32081698/ "Lifetime pornography use was reported by most respondents. After adjusting for age, age at first porn exposure, and current relationship status, the associations between pornography use and sexual behaviors was statistically significant" Also, "people are born gay" is quack science. If it's true, what else are people "born" into? Yes, sexual suggestion exists, either through social circles, or through culture, or advertising. Alternative sexual behaviors have exploded since porn went mainstream - did we experience a major genetic change? Anyway, just like you can entice people to smoke by showing Marylin Monroe smoking on the screen, you can entice people to develop an taste for pedophilia by showing them enticing CSAM. And because the consequences of pedophilia are one of the worst things for society, CSAM is forbiden.

greymalik 3y ago

> The thoughts/fantasies you harbor while viewing images on a screen do not magically turn off when you step outside Thoughts are not crimes.

nilslindemann 3y ago
> Thoughts are not crimes I disagree, Neo. Everything starts with a decision.

jmclnx 3y ago

> How can someone who likes viewing this look at a child on the street and not see them as a sexual object? I get what you are saying, but this quote could be changed to reference viewing adults as sexual objects. Thus eliminate all porn. *But*, I believe people who use child porn have some "wires" crossed in their brain. Too bad they could not voluntary get treatment in a good facility as opposed to being sent to prison. Also, IIRC, current medical research says people using child porn will eventually act-out, so if there was a place they can go and not have their name revealed, maybe things will get better. But I doubt that will ever happen, just about all Mental Diseases have stigma attached to them and this is the most stigmatized condition to have.