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> deserve what they get sadly This is incredibly insensitive and dismissive, and victim-blaming.

NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
Someone complains of getting mugged, you say something about how they brought it on themselves... victim blaming. But if that someone hunts down the mugger, dances a jig in front of him, starts mocking, "oh come on, I have a thousand bucks cash on me, point the gun at me already"... well, telling them that they're doing it to themselves isn't victim blaming. It's objective truth, the only truth that matters. They're doing it right now. As we speak. We're having this conversation watching them while they try to throw themselves in front of the gun. It's time to stop worrying about whether or not we're insensitive when we describe what's happening in front of our eyes.
ladams 3y ago
Is it? Every large company has a well compensated CTO whose job it is to think through these sorts of hypotheticals. But “nobody gets fired for choosing Microsoft”, and so the monopoly continues…
- ajb 3y ago
  "A sound banker, alas, is not one who foresees danger and avoids it, but one who, when he is ruined, is ruined in a conventional and orthodox way along with his fellows, so that no one can really blame him"
  - H8crilA 3y ago
    The worst part is that very poor diversification / groupthink is exactly what creates financial bubbles and financial crises. We seem to be reaching that uncomfortable too-big-to-fail scale in computing / cyber security.
    - marcosdumay 3y ago
      > We seem to be reaching We clearly reached it at the 90's. We have been waiting for the other shoe to drop since then.
      - AlexandrB 3y ago
        Other shoe will not drop because the liability for mishandling customer/user data is minimal. I don't expect a scenario where Microsoft (of even Microsoft's cloud division) folds after this. Bear Stearns actually collapsed after their fuckups.
  - dredmorbius 3y ago
    JMK: <https://www.greatsayings.net/john-maynard-keynes-sayings/a-sound-banker-alas-is-not-one-who-foresees-danger-and-avoids-it-but-one-2004414.html https://www.greatsayings.net/john-maynard-keynes-sayings/a-s...>
- smt88 3y ago
  Some of my large enterprise clients require us to use Microsoft too, so that decision can radiate outward beyond large, conservative companies.
bluepizza 3y ago
Hard disagree. This is professional negligence. How would you feel if your doctor only prescribed medicine from one single supplier?
- Ylpertnodi 3y ago
  If the single supplier supplied the correct medicine, and it works, why worry?
  - nerdbert 3y ago
    Evidently it was not the correct medicine.
    - dcow 3y ago
      More like one batch was deficient and was recalled as soon as the issue was discovered.
      - marcosdumay 3y ago
        MS discovered this years ago. And they have refused any recall. This is also not the first time they cover up some serious problem and refuse to fix it. In fact, that's a daily activity for them. This one is just a larger problem than usual because they are broken too, not only their clients (even though, that makes it only slightly larger).
      - plagiarist 3y ago
        If I am reading the linked material correctly: more like a nefarious actor was able to get into the production facility and is still in there to this day. With the same false keycard that originally granted them access.
jonhohle 3y ago
I joined Accenture in 2003 after over three years of onslaught of Windows e-mail Virus after Virus. They were actively transitioning away from Lotus Notes to Exchange/Outlook and migrated everyone a few months after I joined. Within weeks they were hit with Sobig, causing 100,000 employees to spend hours each dealing with it. Several million dollars gone from one virus. But they forged ahead, entreating further with Microsoft. Victims absolutely shouldn’t be blamed, however, you don’t buy a Pinto if you are concerned about being trapped in a fiery wreck, you don’t go to Skid Row after dark if you’re concerned about violent crime, and you don’t buy Microsoft if you’re concerned about security. These are all things we’ve known for decades.
nolist_policy 3y ago
Microsoft is slowly chipping away on-prem Exchange and AD, forcing people into their Azure/O365 offerings little by little. They advertise their Cloud offerings as being more secure.
- datavirtue 3y ago
  Little by little? It was a mass lemming Exodus that jump-started back in 2014.

Someone complains of getting mugged, you say something about how they brought it on themselves... victim blaming. But if that someone hunts down the mugger, dances a jig in front of him, starts mocking, "oh come on, I have a thousand bucks cash on me, point the gun at me already"... well, telling them that they're doing it to themselves isn't victim blaming. It's objective truth, the only truth that matters. They're doing it right now. As we speak. We're having this conversation watching them while they try to throw themselves in front of the gun. It's time to stop worrying about whether or not we're insensitive when we describe what's happening in front of our eyes.

ladams 3y ago

Is it? Every large company has a well compensated CTO whose job it is to think through these sorts of hypotheticals. But “nobody gets fired for choosing Microsoft”, and so the monopoly continues…

ajb 3y ago
"A sound banker, alas, is not one who foresees danger and avoids it, but one who, when he is ruined, is ruined in a conventional and orthodox way along with his fellows, so that no one can really blame him"
- H8crilA 3y ago
  The worst part is that very poor diversification / groupthink is exactly what creates financial bubbles and financial crises. We seem to be reaching that uncomfortable too-big-to-fail scale in computing / cyber security.
  - marcosdumay 3y ago
    > We seem to be reaching We clearly reached it at the 90's. We have been waiting for the other shoe to drop since then.
    - AlexandrB 3y ago
      Other shoe will not drop because the liability for mishandling customer/user data is minimal. I don't expect a scenario where Microsoft (of even Microsoft's cloud division) folds after this. Bear Stearns actually collapsed after their fuckups.
- dredmorbius 3y ago
  JMK: <https://www.greatsayings.net/john-maynard-keynes-sayings/a-sound-banker-alas-is-not-one-who-foresees-danger-and-avoids-it-but-one-2004414.html https://www.greatsayings.net/john-maynard-keynes-sayings/a-s...>
smt88 3y ago
Some of my large enterprise clients require us to use Microsoft too, so that decision can radiate outward beyond large, conservative companies.

bluepizza 3y ago

Hard disagree. This is professional negligence. How would you feel if your doctor only prescribed medicine from one single supplier?

Ylpertnodi 3y ago
If the single supplier supplied the correct medicine, and it works, why worry?
- nerdbert 3y ago
  Evidently it was not the correct medicine.
  - dcow 3y ago
    More like one batch was deficient and was recalled as soon as the issue was discovered.
    - marcosdumay 3y ago
      MS discovered this years ago. And they have refused any recall. This is also not the first time they cover up some serious problem and refuse to fix it. In fact, that's a daily activity for them. This one is just a larger problem than usual because they are broken too, not only their clients (even though, that makes it only slightly larger).
    - plagiarist 3y ago
      If I am reading the linked material correctly: more like a nefarious actor was able to get into the production facility and is still in there to this day. With the same false keycard that originally granted them access.

jonhohle 3y ago

I joined Accenture in 2003 after over three years of onslaught of Windows e-mail Virus after Virus. They were actively transitioning away from Lotus Notes to Exchange/Outlook and migrated everyone a few months after I joined. Within weeks they were hit with Sobig, causing 100,000 employees to spend hours each dealing with it. Several million dollars gone from one virus. But they forged ahead, entreating further with Microsoft. Victims absolutely shouldn’t be blamed, however, you don’t buy a Pinto if you are concerned about being trapped in a fiery wreck, you don’t go to Skid Row after dark if you’re concerned about violent crime, and you don’t buy Microsoft if you’re concerned about security. These are all things we’ve known for decades.

nolist_policy 3y ago

Microsoft is slowly chipping away on-prem Exchange and AD, forcing people into their Azure/O365 offerings little by little. They advertise their Cloud offerings as being more secure.

datavirtue 3y ago
Little by little? It was a mass lemming Exodus that jump-started back in 2014.