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I think of our company as an "indie" startup and we use Office365 for email. There are a bunch of things that I hate about it but what are the plausible alterna

I think of our company as an "indie" startup and we use Office365 for email. There are a bunch of things that I hate about it but what are the plausible alternatives? Before we moved to O365 85%+ of our emails landed in spam folders.

andyferris 3y ago
GSuite tends to work ok for email. There might be others.
dizhn 3y ago
85%? I can't imagine even dedicated spam hosting companies in China having that kind of deliverability issues. That is seriously bizarre.
- xyzzy_plugh 3y ago
  Sometimes you get a bad roll of the dice when you choose a lesser known email provider and you start with worse than average reputation. Can never go wrong with Gsuite, O365, etc.
  - dizhn 3y ago
    OK. Maybe the "email provider" part is the problem. They were probably lax on spammers or they couldn't keep up with them. I have experience with hosting my own on dedicated servers. It's mostly been fine.
    - etothepii 3y ago
      This is what I used to do (and what my father still does). Essentially if you don't have 20+ years of history you appear to be doomed on this. Adding DKIM / SPF even configured correctly didn't seem to do much good.
      - dizhn 3y ago
        This has not been my experience but every circumstance is different.
unmole 3y ago
GSuite or whatever Google calls it now, Zoho.
jorams 3y ago
Fastmail is very good and has been running for 24 years, with good deliverability. Migadu I hear is good. There's quite a few email providers that aren't Microsoft or Google that have their shit together.
- trinsic2 3y ago
  Yeah, fastmail is pretty close to office 365. As long as you're not dependent on Aszure for other components. I suggest businesses think about migrating away from 03 65 because this problem will probably get worse in the future, since Microsoft is either too big, or not able to secure their own security implementation.
nottheengineer 3y ago
There's google, which is less infuriating to use than microsoft stuff from what I've heard. Microsoft, google and yahoo regularly block or delay mails from independents[1]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35380823 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35380823

andyferris 3y ago

GSuite tends to work ok for email. There might be others.

dizhn 3y ago

85%? I can't imagine even dedicated spam hosting companies in China having that kind of deliverability issues. That is seriously bizarre.

xyzzy_plugh 3y ago
Sometimes you get a bad roll of the dice when you choose a lesser known email provider and you start with worse than average reputation. Can never go wrong with Gsuite, O365, etc.
- dizhn 3y ago
  OK. Maybe the "email provider" part is the problem. They were probably lax on spammers or they couldn't keep up with them. I have experience with hosting my own on dedicated servers. It's mostly been fine.
  - etothepii 3y ago
    This is what I used to do (and what my father still does). Essentially if you don't have 20+ years of history you appear to be doomed on this. Adding DKIM / SPF even configured correctly didn't seem to do much good.
    - dizhn 3y ago
      This has not been my experience but every circumstance is different.

unmole 3y ago

GSuite or whatever Google calls it now, Zoho.

jorams 3y ago

Fastmail is very good and has been running for 24 years, with good deliverability. Migadu I hear is good. There's quite a few email providers that aren't Microsoft or Google that have their shit together.

trinsic2 3y ago
Yeah, fastmail is pretty close to office 365. As long as you're not dependent on Aszure for other components. I suggest businesses think about migrating away from 03 65 because this problem will probably get worse in the future, since Microsoft is either too big, or not able to secure their own security implementation.

nottheengineer 3y ago

There's google, which is less infuriating to use than microsoft stuff from what I've heard. Microsoft, google and yahoo regularly block or delay mails from independents[1]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35380823 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35380823