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I’m not sure how you can say FL is more “well ran” than NY when, specifically NYC vs Miami, is an order of magnitude (or more) difficult to run. Also it’s pate

I’m not sure how you can say FL is more “well ran” than NY when, specifically NYC vs Miami, is an order of magnitude (or more) difficult to run. Also it’s patently obvious why people choose to move to FL - has something to do with the sun. They don’t call it the “Sunshine State” for nothing.

xyzelement 3y ago
You are logical but maybe don't have the context. Historically, old people moved to Florida while young people moved north for careers etc. Currently, you can meet a lot of young professionals / families who have moved to FL. This is new. I am with you on the weather, but on the flip side it's VERY hot in the summer. As for NYC vs Miami... there's a palpatable shift. It used to be "what does Miami have for me besides sunshine" and now it's more like "why would anyone stay in NYC?" The former question has more and more good answers now while the later fewer and fewer. And again I say this as a new Yorker who hasn't moved yet so it's not like I am just talking my own book here.
- halfmatthalfcat 3y ago
  As someone who lived in New York for a long time (and calls myself a New Yorker but natives may take offense) but moved to Chicago recently, I find myself missing so many of the NYC amenities (subway/buses, entertainment, food, culture, etc) that Chicago has mirages of. I can't see how Miami (also having spent a decent amount of time there), aside from the weather, could provide anything close to either NYC or Chicago. You have to squint even harder since Miami has none of the public transit, entertainment or other amenities I would expect from a large urban center. Plus, if you lean left on the political spectrum, you inherit the unpalatable politics that come with FL. At least in Chicago I can buy a house within a ten minute walk to a beach and not break the bank. Something that, unless you're in Rockaway/LI or are ballin out on Star Island/Key Biscayne/Bal Harbor/etc wont get. If you find people asking "why would anyone stay in NYC", they had no idea why they were there to begin with.
  - xyzelement 3y ago
    I don't think Miami competes on public transport. It competes on higher quality of life. You can ask for example where will my children be safer etc
    - cddotdotslash 3y ago
      And if you did ask "where will my children be safer?" the statistical answer would be NYC by a factor of 2 across nearly every crime category [1]. [1] https://www.nextburb.com/us/compare-places/new-york-ny-vs-miami-fl/crime-rates/ https://www.nextburb.com/us/compare-places/new-york-ny-vs-mi...
    - one_level_deep2 3y ago
      Odd that the specific example you chose is better in NYC than Miami. The news orgs constantly harping on urban crime rarely mention Miami, for some reason. Maybe because Miami has a Republican Governor, state legislature, and mayor while NYC has a Democrat in each of those roles?
      - wolverine876 3y ago
        Yes, that is my impression. The odd thing is that the endless repetition disinformation machine works so well, 'centrist' Dems pick it up. NYC suburbs voted Republican because of the 'crime' in the city.
- wolverine876 3y ago
  What in Miami compares to NYC, other than winter weather (I much prefer NYC winters to Miami summers!)? Food? Culture? Energy? Transit? Crime (much lower in NYC, iirc)? Schools (NYU, Columbia, etc. etc.)? Arts? Music? Parks? Architecture? Dynamism? Workforce talent? I understand NYC isn't for everyone, and I don't criticize people for living elsewhere, but it's hard to compare ....
AlbertCory 3y ago
and yet, if NY politicians took over FL, they'd run it into the ground in six months (or less). Your 2nd paragraph is 30 years out of date. Pre-retirement people don't move there unless there are jobs, education for their kids, and safety.
- one_level_deep2 3y ago
  New York has yet to be run into the ground, so I think it would be ok. Your talking point about NYC being some sort of hellscape is at least 30 years out of date.
  - AlbertCory 3y ago
    no, actually, all those migrants sleeping in the lobby of the Roosevelt Hotel might differ. Briefly it wasn't a hellscape, but y'all made it one again. Congratulations.
    - nobody9999 3y ago
      >Briefly it wasn't a hellscape, but y'all made it one again. Congratulations. Glad you feel that way. Please don't come here.
    - halfmatthalfcat 3y ago
      You mean all the migrants shipped from FL out of spite by a governor using human trafficking for political gain, lovely.
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- wolverine876 3y ago
  It's easy to say these things, but specifically, with some factual basis: In what ways is FL better run than NY?
wolverine876 3y ago
Also, no income tax, which suits retirees well, and low housing costs. The income tax thing is perplexing to me - you need to pay somehow, no? Without a graduated income tax, probably you are paying more tax overall (unless you are in the top 1%).
- PaulDavisThe1st 3y ago
  sales tax. Highly non-progressive. But make it high enough and it brings in enough dollars, at least for a low-government-services state.
  - wolverine876 3y ago
    That's what I mean - you are paying tax one way or the other, and probably more unless you are rich.

xyzelement 3y ago

You are logical but maybe don't have the context. Historically, old people moved to Florida while young people moved north for careers etc. Currently, you can meet a lot of young professionals / families who have moved to FL. This is new. I am with you on the weather, but on the flip side it's VERY hot in the summer. As for NYC vs Miami... there's a palpatable shift. It used to be "what does Miami have for me besides sunshine" and now it's more like "why would anyone stay in NYC?" The former question has more and more good answers now while the later fewer and fewer. And again I say this as a new Yorker who hasn't moved yet so it's not like I am just talking my own book here.

halfmatthalfcat 3y ago
As someone who lived in New York for a long time (and calls myself a New Yorker but natives may take offense) but moved to Chicago recently, I find myself missing so many of the NYC amenities (subway/buses, entertainment, food, culture, etc) that Chicago has mirages of. I can't see how Miami (also having spent a decent amount of time there), aside from the weather, could provide anything close to either NYC or Chicago. You have to squint even harder since Miami has none of the public transit, entertainment or other amenities I would expect from a large urban center. Plus, if you lean left on the political spectrum, you inherit the unpalatable politics that come with FL. At least in Chicago I can buy a house within a ten minute walk to a beach and not break the bank. Something that, unless you're in Rockaway/LI or are ballin out on Star Island/Key Biscayne/Bal Harbor/etc wont get. If you find people asking "why would anyone stay in NYC", they had no idea why they were there to begin with.
- xyzelement 3y ago
  I don't think Miami competes on public transport. It competes on higher quality of life. You can ask for example where will my children be safer etc
  - cddotdotslash 3y ago
    And if you did ask "where will my children be safer?" the statistical answer would be NYC by a factor of 2 across nearly every crime category [1]. [1] https://www.nextburb.com/us/compare-places/new-york-ny-vs-miami-fl/crime-rates/ https://www.nextburb.com/us/compare-places/new-york-ny-vs-mi...
  - one_level_deep2 3y ago
    Odd that the specific example you chose is better in NYC than Miami. The news orgs constantly harping on urban crime rarely mention Miami, for some reason. Maybe because Miami has a Republican Governor, state legislature, and mayor while NYC has a Democrat in each of those roles?
    - wolverine876 3y ago
      Yes, that is my impression. The odd thing is that the endless repetition disinformation machine works so well, 'centrist' Dems pick it up. NYC suburbs voted Republican because of the 'crime' in the city.
wolverine876 3y ago
What in Miami compares to NYC, other than winter weather (I much prefer NYC winters to Miami summers!)? Food? Culture? Energy? Transit? Crime (much lower in NYC, iirc)? Schools (NYU, Columbia, etc. etc.)? Arts? Music? Parks? Architecture? Dynamism? Workforce talent? I understand NYC isn't for everyone, and I don't criticize people for living elsewhere, but it's hard to compare ....

AlbertCory 3y ago

and yet, if NY politicians took over FL, they'd run it into the ground in six months (or less). Your 2nd paragraph is 30 years out of date. Pre-retirement people don't move there unless there are jobs, education for their kids, and safety.

one_level_deep2 3y ago
New York has yet to be run into the ground, so I think it would be ok. Your talking point about NYC being some sort of hellscape is at least 30 years out of date.
- AlbertCory 3y ago
  no, actually, all those migrants sleeping in the lobby of the Roosevelt Hotel might differ. Briefly it wasn't a hellscape, but y'all made it one again. Congratulations.
  - nobody9999 3y ago
    >Briefly it wasn't a hellscape, but y'all made it one again. Congratulations. Glad you feel that way. Please don't come here.
  - halfmatthalfcat 3y ago
    You mean all the migrants shipped from FL out of spite by a governor using human trafficking for political gain, lovely.
    - deleted 3y ago
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wolverine876 3y ago
It's easy to say these things, but specifically, with some factual basis: In what ways is FL better run than NY?

wolverine876 3y ago

Also, no income tax, which suits retirees well, and low housing costs. The income tax thing is perplexing to me - you need to pay somehow, no? Without a graduated income tax, probably you are paying more tax overall (unless you are in the top 1%).

PaulDavisThe1st 3y ago
sales tax. Highly non-progressive. But make it high enough and it brings in enough dollars, at least for a low-government-services state.
- wolverine876 3y ago
  That's what I mean - you are paying tax one way or the other, and probably more unless you are rich.