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This had been my experience as well. You can replace the low-code solution with a junior coder in a non-coding role. Creating a shadow-IT solution will be a fra

This had been my experience as well. You can replace the low-code solution with a junior coder in a non-coding role. Creating a shadow-IT solution will be a fraction of the cost and time. The risks are the lack of governance and amateurishness, though. Solution: have vertically integrated agile teams so that developers are in the problem space with experienced peers and governance. Why don't more orgs do this?

marcosdumay 3y ago
We managed to move almost the entire shadow-development from our organization into a low code platform. It works great. The systems already starts in a usable format, and when they need intervention, they are in a very standard format that is easy to start working with. Besides, today we also send applications back to shadow-development, and they are able to maintain them until something big changes. Shadow-development isn't very shady around here anymore.
- cjalmeida 3y ago
  This here. Fully centralized IT is stifling, shadow/decentralized is chaotic. Good structures come from hybrid, matrix-like approaches.
- code_biologist 3y ago
  What's the platform? Something you'd recommend?
  - marcosdumay 3y ago
    We use Oracle Apex. The platform itself is quite good. But it only runs on Oracle, so I'm not sure I recommend it.
    - thorin 3y ago
      We used Oracle Apex for years with loads of complex business applications. If you already have Oracle licenses it's a must-use. It's definitely lo-code rather than no code as you really need a bit of db modelling, sql, and development skill to get it working well. It can also be hard to work out how to customise things but you can get it to do almost anything CRUDy.
_dark_matter_ 3y ago
Please, yes, this. Both for marketing, and products, and data. The reason they don't do this is because of politics. People want power, and they do that by gathering larger numbers of reports. The method you're proposing means distributing power among small groups and teams, which can only work when it's done from the very beginning of the company's lifecycle (i.e. people will not have to give up reports/power to make it happen).

marcosdumay 3y ago

We managed to move almost the entire shadow-development from our organization into a low code platform. It works great. The systems already starts in a usable format, and when they need intervention, they are in a very standard format that is easy to start working with. Besides, today we also send applications back to shadow-development, and they are able to maintain them until something big changes. Shadow-development isn't very shady around here anymore.

cjalmeida 3y ago
This here. Fully centralized IT is stifling, shadow/decentralized is chaotic. Good structures come from hybrid, matrix-like approaches.
code_biologist 3y ago
What's the platform? Something you'd recommend?
- marcosdumay 3y ago
  We use Oracle Apex. The platform itself is quite good. But it only runs on Oracle, so I'm not sure I recommend it.
  - thorin 3y ago
    We used Oracle Apex for years with loads of complex business applications. If you already have Oracle licenses it's a must-use. It's definitely lo-code rather than no code as you really need a bit of db modelling, sql, and development skill to get it working well. It can also be hard to work out how to customise things but you can get it to do almost anything CRUDy.

_dark_matter_ 3y ago

Please, yes, this. Both for marketing, and products, and data. The reason they don't do this is because of politics. People want power, and they do that by gathering larger numbers of reports. The method you're proposing means distributing power among small groups and teams, which can only work when it's done from the very beginning of the company's lifecycle (i.e. people will not have to give up reports/power to make it happen).