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I have tried out Bing some times earlier and I think I can confirm that until the last few years another reason why Google won was because they were better. Th

I have tried out Bing some times earlier and I think I can confirm that until the last few years another reason why Google won was because they were better. The last few years I feel Google has become so hilariously bad at search that I didn't care and just used DDH since it promised less tracking. But still DDG and Bing weren't better IMO Google had just sunk to a level so close above them that I didn't think I missed out on anything.

adventured 3y ago
Google did win because they were better. Now they're trying to maintain market share through other means to keep as much risk of competition at bay as possible. That's where the anti-trust issues come into play, not on the question of whether Google is better. Ie Google leveraging their acquired scale, market power, to keep competition out to the extent possible (and obviously they could overreach to a greater extent, they could try to damage the competition even more dramatically, but that'd just make the case that much easier). You don't get to be the best and simultaneously use your market power to deny competition access to the market, generally. Intel vs AMD is a classic case of this in action. Intel in theory could have trivially owned the entire market, including eating Nvidia when they were far smaller. Intel had a huge size advantage over most every other semiconductor entity, for years (during the peak of their market position). They weren't allowed to do it, fortunately, due to anti-trust restrictions (either direct or perceived).
next_xibalba 3y ago
Agreed. I have also started using Yandex, which I’ve now come to think has the best UX and search result quality, beyond both Google, which is totally nerfed, and Bing.
- hayst4ck 3y ago
  > The Yandex Cloud platform is hosted at three Yandex data centers located in the Vladimir, Ryazan, and Moscow regions. Do you really feel good about using a service located in a country that is actively attempting to carry out a genocide against another country?
  - next_xibalba 3y ago
    > actively attempting to carry out a genocide against another country This seems like an extremely hyperbolic description of the war in Ukraine.
    - hayst4ck 3y ago
      Here is a Yale professor of history specializing in eastern European history testifying to the United Nations that Russia's actions in Ukraine are very much a genocide: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9c3-Ps3TjI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9c3-Ps3TjI
  - esafak 3y ago
    Which search engine did you use during the occupation of Iraq? Should we stop using American products if Trump gets elected again? And don't forget Freedom fries...
- eitland 3y ago
  I used a combo of DDG (for most searches) and sometimes search.marginalia.nu (for some searches) and Google (if nothing else worked, but I think half the time Google didn't work either) until I started using Kagi. Since then I feel I have used Google maybe once every second month and I feel the frequency is sinking.

adventured 3y ago

Google did win because they were better. Now they're trying to maintain market share through other means to keep as much risk of competition at bay as possible. That's where the anti-trust issues come into play, not on the question of whether Google is better. Ie Google leveraging their acquired scale, market power, to keep competition out to the extent possible (and obviously they could overreach to a greater extent, they could try to damage the competition even more dramatically, but that'd just make the case that much easier). You don't get to be the best and simultaneously use your market power to deny competition access to the market, generally. Intel vs AMD is a classic case of this in action. Intel in theory could have trivially owned the entire market, including eating Nvidia when they were far smaller. Intel had a huge size advantage over most every other semiconductor entity, for years (during the peak of their market position). They weren't allowed to do it, fortunately, due to anti-trust restrictions (either direct or perceived).

next_xibalba 3y ago

Agreed. I have also started using Yandex, which I’ve now come to think has the best UX and search result quality, beyond both Google, which is totally nerfed, and Bing.

hayst4ck 3y ago
> The Yandex Cloud platform is hosted at three Yandex data centers located in the Vladimir, Ryazan, and Moscow regions. Do you really feel good about using a service located in a country that is actively attempting to carry out a genocide against another country?
- next_xibalba 3y ago
  > actively attempting to carry out a genocide against another country This seems like an extremely hyperbolic description of the war in Ukraine.
  - hayst4ck 3y ago
    Here is a Yale professor of history specializing in eastern European history testifying to the United Nations that Russia's actions in Ukraine are very much a genocide: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9c3-Ps3TjI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9c3-Ps3TjI
- esafak 3y ago
  Which search engine did you use during the occupation of Iraq? Should we stop using American products if Trump gets elected again? And don't forget Freedom fries...
eitland 3y ago
I used a combo of DDG (for most searches) and sometimes search.marginalia.nu (for some searches) and Google (if nothing else worked, but I think half the time Google didn't work either) until I started using Kagi. Since then I feel I have used Google maybe once every second month and I feel the frequency is sinking.