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Most people are either 1) indifferent to the signals of accelerating climate change, revealing the very deep structural flaws on which modern economies have bee
by nologic01 3y ago
Most people are either 1) indifferent to the signals of accelerating climate change, revealing the very deep structural flaws on which modern economies have been built or 2) panicking, which reveals more or less the same.
The cumulative impact of industrial scale human footprint cannot be undone in a hurry even if we were to commit economic suicide and return to the stone age. The process is autoregressive (alas more Swiss glaciers will melt) and may hit tipping points (permafrost melting accelerating temperature increase etc) before it gets controlled (assuming we even get to do the "right" things").
This kind of slow but steady and determined (over many decades) turning of the entire Homo Titanic to avoid the worst environmental disruption and settle into a workable equilibrium is an unheard of challenge. This is not the kind of game people know how to play. We are in uncharted territory, economically, politically and morally.
- landemva 3y agoA 3rd group has studied 1000s years of climate history and learned about cyclic variations. I still want to reduce pollution in general, including air particulates and chemicals in water.
- OrvalWintermute 3y agoRegardless of our thoughts on the solar, climate, and weather cycles. We must do more to control unnatural pollution, water pollutants, forever chemicals, deep acquifer draining, lead pipes, go everywhere plastics, etc.
- Daishiman 3y agoThose people have not made credible climate models.
- nologic01 3y agoThe multiple hundreds of IPCC scientists (from every corner of the planet) that are not comforted by the "it was ever thus" theory must be the largest science fraud in history according to that "3rd group".
- landemva 3y agoI don't know if that group is a fraud, but they certainly are freaked out by change which this planet has experienced over millennia.
- nologic01 3y agoThe rough estimate is that at the current consumption rate the majority of fossil fuel reserves will be depleted in about 50-100 years. So in 150-200 years total from the start of the industrial age, most of the carbon that has been stored underground slowly during billions of years will be released into the atmosphere practically in one instant. This is not cyclic change. This is detonating the biosphere and hoping it will gently find a new balance without inconveniencing our behaviors.
- landemva 3y agoTechnology is not cyclic, it advances. The weather has cycles daily, seaonally, decades and centuries. It is greatly influenced by the sun which we do not control. If the proposal is energy poverty ideology, who first?
- nologic01 3y agoIt makes sense that climate change deniers should be punished first. Forced relocation to places that become uninhabitable (swaping places with the typically energy poor populations that suffer without any responsibility). Along with a farewell letter stating: dont be mad, its all cyclical, in the future you'll be allright...
- w1nst0nsm1th 3y agoA tipping point seems to have been reached in Antartica, with Antartica Sea Ice Cover : https://earth.gsfc.nasa.gov/cryo/data/current-state-sea-ice-cover https://earth.gsfc.nasa.gov/cryo/data/current-state-sea-ice-... Some skeptics says it's maybe an outlier and we need at least 2 years to confirm the start of a new trend...