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> all work accidents must be reported What do you want to bet injuries are high elsewhere and Germany just has better reporting. > Tesla boss Elon Musk’s fact

> all work accidents must be reported What do you want to bet injuries are high elsewhere and Germany just has better reporting. > Tesla boss Elon Musk’s factory requested an ambulance or helicopter 247 times in the first year after opening alone Later goes on to say this is three times as many per capita as Audi. Tesla: quality is crap, our factory workers are paid poorly and injured, our corporate workers can spy on you while you drive, our boss is insane, but hey our lineup spells SEXY which is hilarious

Implicated 3y ago
At least this way you save money on digits. Those "X days since last workplace injury" signs never even make it to double digit days.
tasubotadas 3y ago
> Tesla boss Elon Musk’s factory What a strange approach to go out of your way to ensure that Musk's name is mentioned.
- willis936 3y ago
  Safety is the responsibility of leadership. >“That’s our other rule,” Musk continues. “Safety third. There’s not even a Rule Number Two. But even though there’s nothing in second place, safety is not getting promoted to number two.” https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/elon-musk-the-architect-of-tomorrow-120850/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/elon-m...
  - justrealist 3y ago
    Incredibly dishonest to take a quote about his advice to his children/family in this context. It's completely fair in that context. If you drill into your children "safety is the number 1 rule at all times", they are going to be socially and developmentally stunted.
    - willis936 3y ago
      If it's dishonest then I challenge you to find a better Elon quote on safety. I first heard "safety third" secondhand from someone who used to work for him. That's not citable, but maybe that's good enough for you. If it's not good enough then here are a few more recent examples. https://www.forbes.com/sites/qai/2023/08/31/elon-mode-fsd-secret-full-self-driving-mode-leaves-authorities-despairing/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/qai/2023/08/31/elon-mode-fsd-se... https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/26/podcasts/the-daily/elon-musk-tesla-self-driving.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/26/podcasts/the-daily/elon-m...
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    - notahacker 3y ago
      I'd say it's far more dishonest to invent a context in which the only alternative to instilling the idea that "safety is so unimportant it's behind priorities that don't even exist" is "safety is the number 1 rule at all times" to the extent of developmental stunting ...
- freejazz 3y ago
  Yes, it's truly unfair that Tesla is being associated with him!
- envsubst 3y ago
  Media has to plant a narrative, or why write the article?
  - oaiey 3y ago
    Narrative? Nope. Too much thinking here. Elon Musk = 10k viewers / angry-emotional readers, Tesla = 1k viewers / positive readers. Elon Musk name-drop generate readers.
    - envsubst 3y ago
      Except it's in the body, so they already clicked on the article and made their money. What's left is continuing the trope that Elon is insensitive and stupid.
deaddodo 3y ago
> What do you want to bet injuries are high elsewhere and Germany just has better reporting. Their first plant was California. I know there's some weird need on the internet to conflate the US as a whole, but California is pretty solidly worker-favoring and safety conscious. They have pretty comprehensive reporting and awareness, probably to an equivalent level to Germany. It's because of that that we know Tesla has always had a modus of terrible workplace environments.
- ahahahahah 3y ago
  Sure, and even with all of California's safety consciousness, Tesla's plant there saw double the industry average number of days lost to injury (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://worksafe.typepad.com/files/worksafe_tesla5_24.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwj926OO3s2BAxWDq1YBHSkKCd4QFnoECA4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw084TYdrm53Jy13KY860bJc https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=8997844...).
  - deaddodo 3y ago
    Right, and California was still on them constantly. Which is probably one of the primary reasons they moved.
justrealist 3y ago
> Later goes on to say this is three times as many per capita as Audi. I'm curious how the ratio looks if you compute accidents per car produced. Like does Audi have a lower per-capita rate because they are safer, or because their factory is padded with a bunch of incidental employees who aren't actually on the factory floor.
- hef19898 3y ago
  Because they are safer.
  - justrealist 3y ago
    Do you have any evidence for this, or just vibes?
    - hef19898 3y ago
      Because Tesla had 3x the accident rate. This are the numbers we have. Well, that, and decades worth of experience working in German industry. Especially automotive plants are incredibly safe.
    - marricks 3y ago
      Are y’all going to keep “just asking questions” that have an implicit stance of a musk-stan
- jdmichal 3y ago
  Audi lists a volume of 332,981 vehicles for Ingolstadt in 2022. https://www.audi-mediacenter.com/en/audi-in-ingolstadt-5543 https://www.audi-mediacenter.com/en/audi-in-ingolstadt-5543 Tesla posted a tweet regarding 5000 vehicles in one week in Gruenheide on March 25, 2023. That pace would be 260,000 vehicles over 52 weeks. https://insideevs.com/news/659190/tesla-giga-berlin-production-5000cars-week/ https://insideevs.com/news/659190/tesla-giga-berlin-producti... I will say that the Audi Ingolstadt campus does have more than just line manufacturing.
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Implicated 3y ago

At least this way you save money on digits. Those "X days since last workplace injury" signs never even make it to double digit days.

tasubotadas 3y ago

> Tesla boss Elon Musk’s factory What a strange approach to go out of your way to ensure that Musk's name is mentioned.

willis936 3y ago
Safety is the responsibility of leadership. >“That’s our other rule,” Musk continues. “Safety third. There’s not even a Rule Number Two. But even though there’s nothing in second place, safety is not getting promoted to number two.” https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/elon-musk-the-architect-of-tomorrow-120850/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/elon-m...
- justrealist 3y ago
  Incredibly dishonest to take a quote about his advice to his children/family in this context. It's completely fair in that context. If you drill into your children "safety is the number 1 rule at all times", they are going to be socially and developmentally stunted.
  - willis936 3y ago
    If it's dishonest then I challenge you to find a better Elon quote on safety. I first heard "safety third" secondhand from someone who used to work for him. That's not citable, but maybe that's good enough for you. If it's not good enough then here are a few more recent examples. https://www.forbes.com/sites/qai/2023/08/31/elon-mode-fsd-secret-full-self-driving-mode-leaves-authorities-despairing/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/qai/2023/08/31/elon-mode-fsd-se... https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/26/podcasts/the-daily/elon-musk-tesla-self-driving.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/26/podcasts/the-daily/elon-m...
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  - notahacker 3y ago
    I'd say it's far more dishonest to invent a context in which the only alternative to instilling the idea that "safety is so unimportant it's behind priorities that don't even exist" is "safety is the number 1 rule at all times" to the extent of developmental stunting ...
freejazz 3y ago
Yes, it's truly unfair that Tesla is being associated with him!
envsubst 3y ago
Media has to plant a narrative, or why write the article?
- oaiey 3y ago
  Narrative? Nope. Too much thinking here. Elon Musk = 10k viewers / angry-emotional readers, Tesla = 1k viewers / positive readers. Elon Musk name-drop generate readers.
  - envsubst 3y ago
    Except it's in the body, so they already clicked on the article and made their money. What's left is continuing the trope that Elon is insensitive and stupid.

deaddodo 3y ago

> What do you want to bet injuries are high elsewhere and Germany just has better reporting. Their first plant was California. I know there's some weird need on the internet to conflate the US as a whole, but California is pretty solidly worker-favoring and safety conscious. They have pretty comprehensive reporting and awareness, probably to an equivalent level to Germany. It's because of that that we know Tesla has always had a modus of terrible workplace environments.

ahahahahah 3y ago
Sure, and even with all of California's safety consciousness, Tesla's plant there saw double the industry average number of days lost to injury (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://worksafe.typepad.com/files/worksafe_tesla5_24.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwj926OO3s2BAxWDq1YBHSkKCd4QFnoECA4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw084TYdrm53Jy13KY860bJc https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=8997844...).
- deaddodo 3y ago
  Right, and California was still on them constantly. Which is probably one of the primary reasons they moved.

justrealist 3y ago

> Later goes on to say this is three times as many per capita as Audi. I'm curious how the ratio looks if you compute accidents per car produced. Like does Audi have a lower per-capita rate because they are safer, or because their factory is padded with a bunch of incidental employees who aren't actually on the factory floor.

hef19898 3y ago
Because they are safer.
- justrealist 3y ago
  Do you have any evidence for this, or just vibes?
  - hef19898 3y ago
    Because Tesla had 3x the accident rate. This are the numbers we have. Well, that, and decades worth of experience working in German industry. Especially automotive plants are incredibly safe.
  - marricks 3y ago
    Are y’all going to keep “just asking questions” that have an implicit stance of a musk-stan
jdmichal 3y ago
Audi lists a volume of 332,981 vehicles for Ingolstadt in 2022. https://www.audi-mediacenter.com/en/audi-in-ingolstadt-5543 https://www.audi-mediacenter.com/en/audi-in-ingolstadt-5543 Tesla posted a tweet regarding 5000 vehicles in one week in Gruenheide on March 25, 2023. That pace would be 260,000 vehicles over 52 weeks. https://insideevs.com/news/659190/tesla-giga-berlin-production-5000cars-week/ https://insideevs.com/news/659190/tesla-giga-berlin-producti... I will say that the Audi Ingolstadt campus does have more than just line manufacturing.
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