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Fairphone 4 with /e/OS by Murena now available at fairphone.com
- jiofj 3y agoA bit of false advertising since it does not support 5G standalone, only the "fake" 5G NSA which is actually 4G. Also, LCD screen, really underwhelming. I was expecting much more for that price.
- kiba 3y agoSo you want premium features in a niche phone like the fairphone?
- WithinReason 3y ago5G and OLED are not premium any more, they are quite basic. e.g. Xiaomi Redmi Note 13 has an OLED screen and supports 5G SA for 140 EUR
- decide1000 3y agoIs Xiaomi Redmi Note 13 an environmental friendly phone built by well paid human beings?
- WithinReason 3y agoIt's not a premium phone, showing that OLED and 5G are not premium features.
- Almondsetat 3y agoWhy are you talking about a "premium phone"? You are the only one here using that expression
- IdiranVibe 3y agoThe first comment literally talks about premium features....
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- Fnoord 3y agoXiaomi is the essence of Chinaware: Xiaomi are hard to open/repair (environmental unfriendly), workers don't get a fair wage, materials are not fairly resourced, it has a locked bootloader, they have their own bloatware (MIUI), probably contain spyware, and likely don't even pay fair taxes. Also, the successor of Fairphone 4, Fairphone 5, has 5G and OLED.
- CoUHKT57BSe 3y agoThe whole point of the fairphone is, as the name implies, that it is fair. That means that all the components/elements are sourced from (where possible) sustainable sources and all labour is paid for fairly (no 'sweatshops'). If you would rather have a flashy screen at the lowest price possible with no regard to the actual cost (human, environmental, etc.) then you can buy litterally any other phone on the market but it is great that the fairphone exists for the people that these kind of issues do concern.
- Fnoord 3y agoThe successor, Fairphone 5, has OLED. The Fairphone 4 is about 2 years old now, and AFAIK it has real 5G.
- malermeister 3y agoHow does /e/OS compare to GrapheneOS?
- MarcusE1W 3y ago/e/OS is focussed on not (or less) leaking data (-> privacy), especially to Google. Whereas I understand Grapheme OS wants to make it very difficult to hack the device (-> security). This leads to different compromises. I would say that /e/ is more normal end user friendly and GrapheneOS enables more security for those who need it, but less Android apps will work as normal.
- at-fates-hands 3y ago>> GrapheneOS enables more security for those who need it, but less Android apps will work as normal. I can attest this is pretty accurate. A lot of the Android apps you find in the F-Droid or Aurora store can be installed, but won't work since most require you to have Google Play services enabled which Graphene sandboxes by default: https://grapheneos.org/usage#sandboxed-google-play https://grapheneos.org/usage#sandboxed-google-play A perfect example is when I was looking for a weather app and most of the popular weather apps were a no-go simply because they required Google Play services. I ended using Weawow Weather instead of several other options like Weather Underground, Accuweather or WeatherBug. EDIT: I'm currently using Graphene OS on a Pixel 4XL
- Fnoord 3y agoDid you try YR [1] by MET Norway [2]? [1] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=no.nrk.yr https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=no.nrk.yr [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_Meteorological_Institute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_Meteorological_Insti...
- ysnp 3y ago> but won't work since most require you to have Google Play services enabled which Graphene sandboxes by default: I might be understanding this wrong, but note that GrapheneOS providing Google Play services as regular sandboxed apps should not have anything to do with whether an app requires play services. So, if you want to use an app that does require them, you would need to install the sandboxed-play-services from GrapheneOS's Apps store then install the (Weather) app you need. GrapheneOS doesn't preinstall any Google (stuff by default), so there is an extra step.
- CoUHKT57BSe 3y agoFairphone 4 with /e/OS (by Murena) directly from fairphone website is grand, but if you want the new fairphone 5 then go directly to the murena website. https://murena.com/shop/smartphones/brand-new/murena-fairphone-5/ https://murena.com/shop/smartphones/brand-new/murena-fairpho...
- COGlory 3y agoNot available in the US, while the 4 is.
- agluszak 3y agoIs the Fairphone 5 also going to be offered with /e/OS?
- CoUHKT57BSe 3y agoYes, you can order it directly from the Murena website https://murena.com/shop/smartphones/brand-new/murena-fairphone-5/ https://murena.com/shop/smartphones/brand-new/murena-fairpho... Not sure if/when that will be available directly from the fairphone website though.
- chewbacha 3y agoI get “not available in your country.” I’m in USA
- deaddodo 3y agoYou have to go to the regional shop: https://murena.com/america/shop/smartphones/brand-new/murena-fairphone-5/?wcpbc-manual-country=US https://murena.com/america/shop/smartphones/brand-new/murena... I'm not in the US, so I assume that's why I get a 404 for the product, but maybe it's just not available.
- uneekname 3y agoI'm in the U.S. and it is still a 404
- CoUHKT57BSe 3y agoOoh thats annoying, guess you'll have to wait until fairphone site lists it, could be a while though, maybe you could use a 3rd party mailing service or a virtual address from europe or something if you really wanted one now.
- prophesi 3y agohttps://murena.com/america/murena-fairphone-5-availibility/ https://murena.com/america/murena-fairphone-5-availibility/ Yep, looks like it's not available yet with no launch date announced.
- nanna 3y agoThe only problem with my Fairphone 3 being 4 years old and counting, having survived dozens of drops without a scratch and receiving updates to Android 11 is that I have to hold restrain my consumerist desire to buy a newer gen Fairphone with flashier features. But I guess that's the point!
- jstummbillig 3y agoI found that my Fairphone 2, even after I considered it obsolete for my usage, was an easy trade-in at a price point that could only be explained by the person caring about keeping it around for a good while.
- Fnoord 3y agoApart from the hardware flaws it is an excellent hand me down, as are all Fairphones. But so are all iPhones. Its just that recent ones are tougher to repair, making them less good of a hand me down.
- janosdebugs 3y agoQuestion: did Fairphone do something about the build quality since v1/2? I used to have one (can't remember which) but the back cover broke after taking the protector off <10 times. I'd really like to buy one, but I'm not keen on using it for less than a month just because I'd like to have my phone clean.
- kwiens 3y agoYes, it's gotten better.
- janosdebugs 3y agoThanks, I might give it another go.
- bornfreddy 3y agoI have a FP4 with MurenaOS, no issues with build quality. It is solid. That said: - fingerprint reader in on power button and triggers on touch (instead of on press), which means I often unlock the phone unintentionally when moving it. Annoying as hell. - no audio jack - a bit too big for my taste - I miss a led indicator of missed messages - push notifications or privacy (from Google), pick one Still, if I lost this one, I would pick FP4 (or FP5 now, I guess?) again, no question about it.
- supermatt 3y agoHow does the fairphone compare with other modern smartphones of comparable price: iPhone 13, Samsung Galaxy S22, Google Pixel 7? Is it comparable, or is it a generation or two behind?
- jraph 3y agoFairphone promises height years of upgrades (apparently thanks to a contract with Qualcomm which sucks less), compared to the usual 2 or 3 years max in the Android land. So it's cost per year is probably smaller than other devices if you manage to keep it this long. It being repairable probably helps. (I don't have a Fairphone, but if I had to buy an (Android) smartphone, I would seriously consider the Fairphone)
- lm28469 3y agoIt depends a lot of what you do with your phone tbh, I'm on a pixel 3a and still see no reasons to update, the fairphone 4 is better spec'd than that
- monopoliessuck 3y agoI agree with you practically except that the pixel 3a has not been getting security updates for over a year. I wouldn't run it with anything personal on it. - https://endoflife.date/pixel https://endoflife.date/pixel
- yjftsjthsd-h 3y agoOn the stock firmware, sure, but lineage OS doesn't have that problem
- monopoliessuck 3y agoGreat, so your security situatuon is now determined by two contributors that haven't moved on back-porting userspace lineageos to your device. I very much doubt anyone is making kernel or vendor updates to upstream neglected components. See https://grapheneos.org/faq#legacy-devices https://grapheneos.org/faq#legacy-devices
- _chu1 3y agoLol no headphone jack
- Fnoord 3y agoThey do sell a USB-C to headphone jack adapter. I got one, barely ever use it.
- monopoliessuck 3y agoOf course they _sell_ a headphone jack adapter. That's the point of removing it. All the "weatherproofing" and "complexity" talk is just smoke.
- Fnoord 3y agoGeez, what a negative take on a company who do their best to be environment-friendly. I got quite some corrosion on the headphone jack of my Raspberry Pi 2B. Not sure why. But either way, these adapters can be bought anywhere, and they'll work on other devices as well. Like I said, I didn't use mine much. Usually Bluetooth with an adequate profile is good enough. I doubt people hear the difference between Bluetooth adequate profile and 3.5 mm in a double blind test.
- monopoliessuck 3y agoApple's omission was the same garbage about complexity and space, yet no one in the real world had these problems. Apple is making a killing on Bluetooth accessories and adapters which have a much much higher markup than phones. Do you buy that SD cards or removable batteries were "too complicated" and bloaty for the end-user too? If you're trying to differente yourself from Apple, it seems like a no brainer to include a jack especially since USB ports are needed for charging, battery case accessories, data transfer etc. all of which can't be done while listening to music. On top of that, a "wobbly" USB port is like the top issue with phones outside of a cracked screen and an analog port is way more resilient to always being plugged in while in your pocket than any USB adapter ever will be. My wired headset is going to outlive whatever bluetooth sealed-in battery garbage "works today until it doesn't" too so "environmentally friendly" needs an asterisk. This is Fairphone playing copy apple. You can like Fairphone and their mission, but giving them a pass here is just playing into marketing bs.
- cooperadymas 3y agoI have been using a Fairphone 4 with /e/OS for awhile now in the US. AMA. The experience has been mostly good, with a few irritating issues. I still consider it good though, because I had a flagship Pixel previously and had my share of irritating issues also. I don't really miss Google at all. * Occasionally the keyboard just disappears. Crashes or something. Killing the AOSP (Android keyboard) service restores it. Hopefully this gets fixed. * The App Store it comes with only shows open source products, or lets you add in Play Store apps without an account. * Searching in the app store sometimes stops showing results when I search and I have to clear its data to get them to show again. I think it's related to the Play Store interface. * Moving off Google Maps is a bit of a learning curve (although you could install it probably). OsmAnd~ or Organic Maps are good enough 85% of the time. * I find if I hold the phone in my right hand when talking that my ear is not naturally on the speaker and I can't hear people. I've never had an issue like this with a phone. Easy to move, but the beginning of most conversations are still a lot of "are you there's?" AT&T network works great. Verizon doesn't. You might try it like a fool like me and think it does for awhile, but I promise you it doesn't. The phone doesn't support 1 or 2 of the bands Verizon uses, so sometimes you simply won't be able to receive or make calls or texts. Mint Mobile (T-Mobile) gave me some trouble too but I think those ones could have been resolved but I didn't get network coverage at my house despite the maps, so I gave up. Boost Mobile claims you can use the AT&T or T-Mobile network, but they don't give you a choice, seem to have stopped pushing AT&T, and will refuse to give you the other SIM when you ask for it. RedPocket actually gives you a choice when you sign up.
- VyseofArcadia 3y agoInteresting. I've been using the Fairphone 4 with /e/OS in the US on Mint for about two months, and I have encountered none of those issues. The issue that's bugged me is occasionally when I'm using Bluetooth audio, the volume "locks". For whatever reason it decides whatever the current volume is, that's the max or min, and I can only adjust in one direction from there.
- bornfreddy 3y agoYes, that one is weird... Using the device to set volume usually helps get it "unstuck" in my case, but to be honest, I didn't investigate more than that. Annoying, but easily fixable (for me).
- Fnoord 3y agoMurena aka /e/ has a number of known issues. [1] https://divestos.org/misc/e.txt https://divestos.org/misc/e.txt
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- gyudin 3y agoIs it waterproof? Or being easy to repair means you’ll have to replace pretty much whole phone after being exposed to water?
- mhitza 3y agoSplash resistant. Had no problem using it in light rain conditions, probably wouldn't pull it out of my pocket during heavy rain.
- neoromantique 3y agoI want to like Fairphone, but it is completely made in China, which is a deal breaker.
- jszymborski 3y agoDefinitely a sticking point for me as well.
- Calamitous 3y agoIs there a phone that’s not entirely made in China?
- gobip 3y agoiPhone 15.
- 0xbadcafebee 3y ago"/e/OS by Murena" Engineer tech founders, open source maintainers: please pass these names by a normal person before you decide on them. No normal person is going to understand that "/e/OS" is supposed to be a Unix file path, nor care. They're going to go "why does it have a '/' around the 'e' ?". If they pop it into their browser search bar, they will get an error, because the browser thinks it's a file path or something. When they go to Google.com and search for it, one of the first things that comes up is "what does e OS mean?" In fact, you can just take "OS" out of the name altogether, because normal people don't know what an Operating System is.
- marvinborner 3y agoYes, that annoys me too. The original name actually was "Eelo". Unfortunately, it had to be renamed due to a legal conflict. Creator Gael Duval also said in 2020 that the "/e/" name would only be temporary.
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- nehal3m 3y agoI wholeheartedly agree. It is also difficult to pronounce. I've come to call it slashyslash, but telling other people about it (which is absolutely paramount to it gaining popularity) is annoying. Me telling a friend about this would go: I use slashyslash OS by Murena. It's forward slash, the letter e, forward slash, capital O capital S. Don't search for it from your address bar, but go to your search engine's homepage first. The first thing people care about when it comes to the device they use to organise their every day lives with is convenience. If you can't even find it in the first place, what snowball's chance in hell does it have?
- ploum 3y agoI’ve a fairphone 3 which had a faulty bottom-part (the microphone/charging module). After a drop in water, the faulty part was completely broken so I tried to order one from their shop. This part has been "out-of-stock" for more than two years now. I’ve a repairable smartphone that I can’t repair. Meanwhile, the FP4 and the FP5 replaced the FP3. So much for trying to "not consume". I hate Apple but my wife manage to keep her iphones 3/4 years each.
- tempodox 3y agoAn iPhone can easily last twice as long if you treat it well, at least as far as the hardware is concerned.
- JoshTko 3y agoWould you continue to choose the fairphone 3 if parts were readily available? It seems that the modularity/repairability reduces reliability relative to the iPhone. My iPhone mini 13 is a tank possibly even more than the Nokias that I've had.
- bornfreddy 3y agoCurious, did you try reaching out to them? This goes against everything they stand for, I would expect they would go to great lengths to fix this.
- rglullis 3y agoThe one thing that I don't understand: for a company that claims to be so focused on protecting the environment, why couldn't they take from the frame.work laptop playbook and commit to 1-2 form factors and just work on releasing new modules independently? I have the Fairphone 3 and I know that if I take care of it properly I wouldn't need to upgrade the display, but I would like perhaps a new camera if a module with a better sensor came along. If their software support is limited by the SoC they are using, perhaps I would be interested in upgrading the main board, but I could keep everything else after the 7-8 years. Instead, they are expecting me to hold out for this phone as long as possible and then upgrade to whatever they are selling 5 years from now. Not only this will not happen (as I do not want a phone that does not have a headphone jack), this will basically condemn this phone to the same pile of obsolete-phones-with-perfectly-serviceable-displays-and-cameras that I have on my desk drawer.
- bornfreddy 3y agoFor FP3, this is actually possible: > The Fairphone 3+ is the upgraded version of the Fairphone 3. It comes with two new camera modules and audio improvements to boost technical performance, enhance the user experience, and improve sustainability. The new camera modules are also sold separately. This way, you can upgrade your Fairphone 3 by replacing the modules. https://support.fairphone.com/hc/en-us/articles/360047776791-Fairphone-3-FAQ https://support.fairphone.com/hc/en-us/articles/360047776791...
- idle76 3y agoI did this and it worked like a charm! Upgraded to Android 13, and it's gotten really slow, so I'm thinking of moving to /e/
- rglullis 3y agoRight! This is why I actually bought the 3. I thought this was going to be their modus operandi, but that hope went down the drain when they launched the FP4.
- Fnoord 3y agoBecause a smartphone has a different form factor and ecosystem than a laptop. Fairphone existed before Framework did, btw. They were probably inspired by Fairphone.
- tweetle_beetle 3y agoThere are various bugbears, like an open issue with the camera only operating at a fraction of its supported resolution - https://gitlab.e.foundation/e/backlog/-/issues/4714 https://gitlab.e.foundation/e/backlog/-/issues/4714 Unfortunately I don't think the team is big enough to support the device specific software at a high level, which is fine for a community project, but less so for a commercial one.