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Of the reported primary school attacks over the last 20 years, 20/85 have occurred in the United States, 65/85 have occurred in other countries. https://en.wik

Of the reported primary school attacks over the last 20 years, 20/85 have occurred in the United States, 65/85 have occurred in other countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_related_to_primary_schools https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_related_to_pri... So much for "this is the only country where this happens". Granted, some of these are "school stabbings" or "school bombings" or "school throwing kids out of a window", but the death tolls appear to be of similar magnitude. There are exceptions (e.g., Uvalde, where the death toll had more to do with police cowardice than choice of weapon). The problem here isn't "guy has a gun", the problem is "guy wants to kill a bunch of people". Until the real problem is acknowledged, nothing is going to change.

taylodl 3y ago
> So much for "this is the only country where this happens". Which isn't what was said. What was said is this is the only country where this regularly happens. The U.S. comprises 5% of the of the world's population yet endures 24% of the world's primary school attacks over the last 20 years.
- yeetawayhn 3y ago
  Why did you move the goalposts from "school" to "primary school"?
  - taylodl 3y ago
    Just referencing the statistic the parent commenter mentioned
  - tessierashpool 3y ago
    the person who moved those goalposts was the same person who moved all the other goalposts (i.e., not the person you replied to)
  - Turing_Machine 3y ago
    It's not moving the goalposts. I linked to that page because Wikipedia breaks the data out in to three separate pages, and I didn't want to confuse the issue. At a glance, the data for secondary and post-secondary schools don't appear to be different in any meaningful way (though I did not take the time to count). Besides, even one example would be enough to refute the OP's claim that "it doesn't happen anywhere else". The salient point is that this is NOT the only country where this happens. Not even close. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_related_to_secondary_schools https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_related_to_sec... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_related_to_post-secondary_schools https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_related_to_pos...
    - tessierashpool 3y ago
      I didn't want to confuse the issue I’m sorry, but I do not believe you at all
      - Turing_Machine 3y ago
        I'm sorry, I don't care whether you "believe me" or not. You: This is the only country where this happens. Me: False. Here is some data that shows it happens in many other countries. What is there to "believe" here? All that was necessary to refute you was to find ONE incident in another country. I found dozens. Linking to the other two lists (each of which also have many incidents in other countries) can only further destroy your incorrect assertion. There's no way those can magically make you right. Even if the other two both had zero (which they don't...far from it), that wouldn't matter in the slightest. Take the L and move on.
        tessierashpool 3y ago
        The Onion, not me: "this is the only country where this regularly happens" You: move every goalpost All that was necessary to refute you was to find ONE incident in another country. Is one isolated incident really all that is necessary to refute the Onion's assertion that this is the only country where this regularly happens?
- Turing_Machine 3y ago
  You: > Which isn't what was said. What was said is this is the only country where this regularly happens. I beg to differ. That's exactly what was said. OP: > The "this" there is no way to prevent, in the only nation where it happens, is school shootings. We are not just at the top of that list, we're at the bottom as well, because it doesn't happen anywhere else. (emphasis mine) You: > The U.S. comprises 5% of the of the world's population yet endures 24% of the world's primary school attacks over the last 20 years. That's not what those data show. Plenty of attacks in China, for example.

taylodl 3y ago

> So much for "this is the only country where this happens". Which isn't what was said. What was said is this is the only country where this regularly happens. The U.S. comprises 5% of the of the world's population yet endures 24% of the world's primary school attacks over the last 20 years.

yeetawayhn 3y ago
Why did you move the goalposts from "school" to "primary school"?
- taylodl 3y ago
  Just referencing the statistic the parent commenter mentioned
- tessierashpool 3y ago
  the person who moved those goalposts was the same person who moved all the other goalposts (i.e., not the person you replied to)
- Turing_Machine 3y ago
  It's not moving the goalposts. I linked to that page because Wikipedia breaks the data out in to three separate pages, and I didn't want to confuse the issue. At a glance, the data for secondary and post-secondary schools don't appear to be different in any meaningful way (though I did not take the time to count). Besides, even one example would be enough to refute the OP's claim that "it doesn't happen anywhere else". The salient point is that this is NOT the only country where this happens. Not even close. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_related_to_secondary_schools https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_related_to_sec... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_related_to_post-secondary_schools https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_related_to_pos...
  - tessierashpool 3y ago
    I didn't want to confuse the issue I’m sorry, but I do not believe you at all
    - Turing_Machine 3y ago
      I'm sorry, I don't care whether you "believe me" or not. You: This is the only country where this happens. Me: False. Here is some data that shows it happens in many other countries. What is there to "believe" here? All that was necessary to refute you was to find ONE incident in another country. I found dozens. Linking to the other two lists (each of which also have many incidents in other countries) can only further destroy your incorrect assertion. There's no way those can magically make you right. Even if the other two both had zero (which they don't...far from it), that wouldn't matter in the slightest. Take the L and move on.
      - tessierashpool 3y ago
        The Onion, not me: "this is the only country where this regularly happens" You: move every goalpost All that was necessary to refute you was to find ONE incident in another country. Is one isolated incident really all that is necessary to refute the Onion's assertion that this is the only country where this regularly happens?
Turing_Machine 3y ago
You: > Which isn't what was said. What was said is this is the only country where this regularly happens. I beg to differ. That's exactly what was said. OP: > The "this" there is no way to prevent, in the only nation where it happens, is school shootings. We are not just at the top of that list, we're at the bottom as well, because it doesn't happen anywhere else. (emphasis mine) You: > The U.S. comprises 5% of the of the world's population yet endures 24% of the world's primary school attacks over the last 20 years. That's not what those data show. Plenty of attacks in China, for example.