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I only watch porn with men in it, so I'm doing my part. Being more serious though, this shouldn't come as much of a surprise to anyone. The porn industry is we

I only watch porn with men in it, so I'm doing my part. Being more serious though, this shouldn't come as much of a surprise to anyone. The porn industry is well known for being extremely shady if not an outright bad actor. The entire sex "work" industry is hugely problematic.

xhevahir 3y ago
As far as I can tell from skimming the study, the 90% figure is about the videos themselves, not whatever shady business happens behind the scenes, and answers to a very contentious definition of "violence"--for example, some porn was judged to be violent simply because the woman was labeled as Moroccan. Everything I've seen in the document, particularly the bolded quotations from the literature, suggests that the authors knew their conclusion from the outset and looked only for confirmation.
- AlecSchueler 3y ago
  > for example, some porn was judged to be violent simply because the woman was labeled as Moroccan. That's not what it says, though I admit French isn't my first language. It's saying that "Moroccan" was one of the main terms used to search for violent videos. That means, they identified certain videos as abusive and then looked at which terms users used to find them, and Moroccan was one of the top results. Violent videos are defined as depicating non-simulated harm.
  - xhevahir 3y ago
    French isn't my first (or even second) language, so I'm no authority either, but from sentences like "la pornographie s’inscrit dans une haine raciste" they seem to mean that, when they label performers things like "beurette" and "negro," they participate, discursively, in racist violence. If that's the case, their idea of violence is probably far broader than what the average French citizen recognizes. The part that amazes me, though, is that they don't seem to believe that the person being called "whore" or "salope" or whatever can have consented to such "violence." On the one hand, if we believe the offense being committed isn't against the performer herself but against women in general, it makes some sense. On the other hand---wtf?
    - AlecSchueler 3y ago
      > The part that amazes me, though, is that they don't seem to believe that the person being called "whore" or "salope" or whatever can have consented to such "violence." This is consistent with French law, where one can not legally consent to this kind of abuse.
init2null 3y ago
I stick to men, and I find this truly absurd. Rough play can be fun, and it's a legitimate kink for both parties. It isn't violence unless the recipient isn't choosing to participate, but I suppose the French Porn Police might not agree with my definition of harm. Only puritanical bureaucrats could turn sex into safe, bubble-wrapped boredom.
- sambazi 3y ago
  > Rough play can be fun, and it's a legitimate kink for both parties. true, but the point is (supposedly) that the actresses are coerced into and harmed by it. this is clearly not unrealistic, but the proportion of the problem remains elusive as you'd have to ask a lot of them very detailed and thought out questions to get any significant result.

xhevahir 3y ago

As far as I can tell from skimming the study, the 90% figure is about the videos themselves, not whatever shady business happens behind the scenes, and answers to a very contentious definition of "violence"--for example, some porn was judged to be violent simply because the woman was labeled as Moroccan. Everything I've seen in the document, particularly the bolded quotations from the literature, suggests that the authors knew their conclusion from the outset and looked only for confirmation.

AlecSchueler 3y ago
> for example, some porn was judged to be violent simply because the woman was labeled as Moroccan. That's not what it says, though I admit French isn't my first language. It's saying that "Moroccan" was one of the main terms used to search for violent videos. That means, they identified certain videos as abusive and then looked at which terms users used to find them, and Moroccan was one of the top results. Violent videos are defined as depicating non-simulated harm.
- xhevahir 3y ago
  French isn't my first (or even second) language, so I'm no authority either, but from sentences like "la pornographie s’inscrit dans une haine raciste" they seem to mean that, when they label performers things like "beurette" and "negro," they participate, discursively, in racist violence. If that's the case, their idea of violence is probably far broader than what the average French citizen recognizes. The part that amazes me, though, is that they don't seem to believe that the person being called "whore" or "salope" or whatever can have consented to such "violence." On the one hand, if we believe the offense being committed isn't against the performer herself but against women in general, it makes some sense. On the other hand---wtf?
  - AlecSchueler 3y ago
    > The part that amazes me, though, is that they don't seem to believe that the person being called "whore" or "salope" or whatever can have consented to such "violence." This is consistent with French law, where one can not legally consent to this kind of abuse.

init2null 3y ago

I stick to men, and I find this truly absurd. Rough play can be fun, and it's a legitimate kink for both parties. It isn't violence unless the recipient isn't choosing to participate, but I suppose the French Porn Police might not agree with my definition of harm. Only puritanical bureaucrats could turn sex into safe, bubble-wrapped boredom.

sambazi 3y ago
> Rough play can be fun, and it's a legitimate kink for both parties. true, but the point is (supposedly) that the actresses are coerced into and harmed by it. this is clearly not unrealistic, but the proportion of the problem remains elusive as you'd have to ask a lot of them very detailed and thought out questions to get any significant result.