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That was not the motivation the teacher is talking about, and it's more something we can now understand better. During lockdown, parents just wanting to get rid

That was not the motivation the teacher is talking about, and it's more something we can now understand better. During lockdown, parents just wanting to get rid of their kids part-time was the issue.

tivert 3y ago
>>> It also revealed some interesting things about social contracts, about who is really essential for the functioning of a society and how little we value them. A friens of mine is kindergardener, and he came close to quitting, as his illusions of what his job is were utterly shattered, as it became clear that many parents did not care about the safety of their own and other kids or about the staff. People just wanted to get rid of their kids and they hated being alone with them as much as they hated being alone with themselves. > That was not the motivation the teacher is talking about, and it's more something we can now understand better. During lockdown, parents just wanting to get rid of their kids part-time was the issue. The framing in this thread is pretty uncharitable. Kids, especially young kids, need a lot of attention. It's a full time job, and most parents weren't in a position to quit their jobs in order to focus on it. As I understand it, pandemic parenting was basically trying to do two full-time jobs at once. Most parents want do do right by their kids, but their capitalist bosses were unlikely to accept a major drop in job performance. Basically, they were stuck between a rock an a hard place. Our two income household society is setup to so parents absolutely require childcare. It's unfair to change that into a moral failing of parents.
- mikub 3y ago
  But it also won't change if we just continue on like that. I mean it's just bullshit to get kids, then give them into kindergarten/childcare as soon as they are 6month old or something, this whole concept sucks.
  - tivert 3y ago
    > But it also won't change if we just continue on like that. I mean it's just bullshit to get kids, then give them into kindergarten/childcare as soon as they are 6month old or something, this whole concept sucks. Except to capitalists. Capitalists love it. They've got twice the workers competing for jobs, can price the same stuff higher because households have more income, and they have a whole new non-discretionary product (daycare) to sell. Of course, they're not know for thinking long term.
- the_gipsy 3y ago
  > It's a full time job, and most parents weren't in a position to quit their jobs in order to focus on it. Exactly. Women fought for their equal right to work. The lost time is made up with places to stuff kids into, instead of parents working both 50%.

That was not the motivation the teacher is talking about, and it's more something we can now understand better. During lockdown, parents just wanting to get rid of their kids part-time was the issue.

tivert 3y ago

>>> It also revealed some interesting things about social contracts, about who is really essential for the functioning of a society and how little we value them. A friens of mine is kindergardener, and he came close to quitting, as his illusions of what his job is were utterly shattered, as it became clear that many parents did not care about the safety of their own and other kids or about the staff. People just wanted to get rid of their kids and they hated being alone with them as much as they hated being alone with themselves. > That was not the motivation the teacher is talking about, and it's more something we can now understand better. During lockdown, parents just wanting to get rid of their kids part-time was the issue. The framing in this thread is pretty uncharitable. Kids, especially young kids, need a lot of attention. It's a full time job, and most parents weren't in a position to quit their jobs in order to focus on it. As I understand it, pandemic parenting was basically trying to do two full-time jobs at once. Most parents want do do right by their kids, but their capitalist bosses were unlikely to accept a major drop in job performance. Basically, they were stuck between a rock an a hard place. Our two income household society is setup to so parents absolutely require childcare. It's unfair to change that into a moral failing of parents.

mikub 3y ago
But it also won't change if we just continue on like that. I mean it's just bullshit to get kids, then give them into kindergarten/childcare as soon as they are 6month old or something, this whole concept sucks.
- tivert 3y ago
  > But it also won't change if we just continue on like that. I mean it's just bullshit to get kids, then give them into kindergarten/childcare as soon as they are 6month old or something, this whole concept sucks. Except to capitalists. Capitalists love it. They've got twice the workers competing for jobs, can price the same stuff higher because households have more income, and they have a whole new non-discretionary product (daycare) to sell. Of course, they're not know for thinking long term.
the_gipsy 3y ago
> It's a full time job, and most parents weren't in a position to quit their jobs in order to focus on it. Exactly. Women fought for their equal right to work. The lost time is made up with places to stuff kids into, instead of parents working both 50%.