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Rasperry Pi 5 Specs and Images Leaked from Element14?
- seanthemon 3y agoWondering if this will impact their manufacturing more, I can't find pi 4s anywhere except from some stores in the UK
- dotnet00 3y agoOn Amazon pi 4s seem to finally be back under $100, so at least in the US the supply seems to be catching up again.
- cylinder714 3y agohttps://rpilocator.com/ https://rpilocator.com/ is the primary resource. I see 8-gigabyte Pi 4s available from U.S. vendors at least every two to three days. Vilros.com isn't on their list of vendors, but they have them, too.
- eternityforest 3y agoEverything else looks great but those filthy nasty micro HDMIs need to go away. Why do those still exist? It's like still using MicroUSB. I guess it must have something to do with legacy digital signage or something but still. Full size HDMI is fine because it's what everyone already has cables for, anything small could just be USB-C. Couldn't they have even just gone with a single USB-C and done the dual monitors with an adapter? Seems like that kind of thing exists on Windows.
- liminalsunset 3y agoThe problem with putting USB-C video on there is that USB-C is DisplayPort, and there's a good chance for various reasons (last time it was said that at least historically, the Raspberry Pi is a cut down version of a Broadcom chip that was used in a set top box or media player or something) the SoC only has an HDMI interface block on it and not a DisplayPort one. Thus, supporting this would require the addition of at least a converter chip, plus a Type-C port chip, which probably takes up valuable BOM budget. Given how few ICs are present on this board, this was probably not a feature very high on the priorities list.
- colordrops 3y agoWould love to use a Pi with my portable monitor, but no idea how without this.
- mighmi 3y agoWhy not a MicroHDMI to HDMI cable?
- colordrops 3y agoBecause my portable monitor has a USB-C DP connector.
- justinlloyd 3y agoSiig and a few others make a HDMI to USB-C converter for around $50.
- colordrops 3y agoNice I just ordered one, thanks.
- 3np 3y agoIn that case, mini-HDMI would have fit without being as insanely brittle.
- potwinkle 3y agohttps://www.phoronix.com/review/raspberry-pi-5-benchmarks/6 https://www.phoronix.com/review/raspberry-pi-5-benchmarks/6 Phoronix has a review too. As fast as the the Orange Pi 5, which is an 8-core.
- ltbarcly3 3y agoThe Orange Pi 5/5Plus use rk3588 cpu, which is big.little, and the 4 A76 cores are about 3x faster than the 4 A55 cores. So `sysbench --threads=4 cpu run` gives 10030.46 events/s, `sysbench --threads=8 cpu run` only increases it to 13578.29. Which is to say the extra 4 cores are nice, and probably help keep power consumption down, but they are very slow compared to the performance cores. The Orange Pi 5 / 5Plus boards have far far more features than the RP5 and to me are far more interesting. They have PCIE! Most importantly though, you can just buy them. I ordered 8 Orange Pi 5Plus 16GB boards from aliexpress and got them in about 2 weeks. You could buy 50 today if you wanted. Good luck getting 3 RP5's, much less 8.
- zejn 3y agoRPi5 has PCIe x1 too ..
- liminalsunset 3y agoSeems like the TDP of these Raspberry Pis are really going up this time... On the Pi 4, it was possible to get it to pull over ten watts by overclocking it, and it had a bunch of hacky cooling solutions. It's good to know that the new version of it has a proper 4-pin fan header that doesn't take up GPIOs now, and the official looking fan/heat sink combination actually looks fairly nice and low profile this time around, and no longer relies on double sided tape to hold a heat sink onto the chip.
- RaisingSpear 3y ago> Leaked Isn't a lot of RPi5 info now public? For example: https://www.phoronix.com/review/raspberry-pi-5-benchmarks https://www.phoronix.com/review/raspberry-pi-5-benchmarks
- coder543 3y agoHow did you get a link that is not on the Phoronix home page, and has not shown up on my RSS reader yet? If it were time to be announced, I would expect to see other articles and videos, but googling restricted to the last 24 hours turns up nothing.
- RaisingSpear 3y agoInteresting, I didn't know. It's the second link here: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=raspberry+pi+5 https://duckduckgo.com/?q=raspberry+pi+5
- sltkr 3y agoIt's the top link in the XML Sitemap that is linked from robots.txt. This is how Search Engines generally find new content on large sites, rather than by crawling. i.e. https://www.phoronix.com/robots.txt https://www.phoronix.com/robots.txt contains: Sitemap: https://www.phoronix.com/sitemap.php And https://www.phoronix.com/sitemap.php https://www.phoronix.com/sitemap.php contains: <urlset xmlns="http://www.sitemaps.org/schemas/sitemap/0.9"> <url> <loc>https://www.phoronix.com/review/raspberry-pi-5-benchmarks</loc> <lastmod>2023-09-28</lastmod> </url> ... </urlset> And generally search engines boost new content, which probably explains why it was among the top search results.
- meitham 3y agoOriginal link of leak https://go.premierfarnell.com/index.php/email/emailWebview?email=MDU5LUpYSS01OTcAAAGOeOlOxHIKo8HzbZXAJGPzJ8wRK7V4fuWfaHDZamMsspIeOSCyrIf9-QpfIN2jahYRhddT37Z2VbIYUtNfwnupdMWJw0rH1seFsA https://go.premierfarnell.com/index.php/email/emailWebview?e...
- mbreese 3y agoLooks like a few places are blowing embargoes (or at least the release time wasn't well coordinated). From the original Farnell email links, products aren't available to purchase yet (the links go to the RPi4 landing page). From: https://www.phoronix.com/review/raspberry-pi-5-benchmarks https://www.phoronix.com/review/raspberry-pi-5-benchmarks > The Raspberry Pi 5 also features a single-lane PCI Express 2.0 interface for improved connectivity This is something that's very interesting to me... from the photos of the board it looks like the PCIe port is being exposed over the same kind of ribbon cable socket as the camera. The PCIe port is one of the best parts of the CM4, so it's great to see this as part of the vanilla RPi (assuming this is all legit).
- schappim 3y agoBlowing embargoes doesn't seem like an effective way to maintain early access to hardware.
- jeswin 3y agoGeekbench results for RPi 5 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=raspberry+pi+5 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q... I wish they had a slightly more competitive CPU. If these results are real, my 6+ year old phone has better scores than Rpi 5. I have an RPi4, and there are a whole bunch of things I can't do with it because it's just too slow and inefficient. I get that being slow is fine for many tasks, but one can wish.
- wpm 3y agoI'll never understand putting half the ports on one side of the board and half the ports on another. There is no neat way of running a Pi either headless or plugged into a display and keyboard/mouse that doesn't involve an absolute clusterf** of cables going every which way on your desk. I get that the board is small, but, put the most commonly used ports on one edge, and extra/accessory ports on another. Power, network, two USB, and one display on one edge, that's all I want, so I can neatly tuck this into a shelf or rack, or at the very least orient the thing on my workbench so all of the cables are coming out one way. It's not like I can put my Pi 5 in a Pi 3 case, so what's the path dependency on footprint and layout? This form factor frankly sucks, and I can't see a good reason why they've stuck with it other than "that's the way the B has always been laid out".
- rpearl 3y agoit's a little pricy but the Argon One case will fix your gripe. Probably others too. I agree that it'd be nice if it were laid out better on the board, though!
- smashed 3y agoA raspberry pi has literally more ports than your average laptop, in a much much smaller PCB footprint. Of course the port layout is going to be a fiasco. It's just not physically possible any other way, unless you start shoving everything into a single USB-C port and force the user into using adapters and docks, at which point you'd just be removing actual ports like laptop makers have been doing for the past years.
- wpm 3y agoI never asked for more or different ports. I asked for a more reasonable layout that doesn't result in a cable squid on my desk to hook it up to power, keyboard/mouse, and display. Obviously port layout is harder than just "just move it" but aside from the physical board foot print, mounting hole locations, and GPIO, there doesn't seem to be some holy thou-shalt-not directive that ports can be moved around, considering the USB and Ethernet ports have flip flopped a few times, the ports change shape, get removed, etc. So, move the most commonly used ports next to the required ones, and put them all on one side of the board so this can actually be neatly slotted underneath a monitor or on a shelf or rack mounted without having to buy a bunch of right angle adapters, PoE hats and switches, or a $50 Argon One that moves the power and display ports to a more convenient location on the back of the Pi by means of a PCB.
- keikobadthebad 3y agoThere's no emmc in 2023... it just kills it for me.
- undersuit 3y agoYeah, but your the tiny minority that does want eMMC but not the Compute Module. I like my Libre Le Potato for eMMC in the RPi3 format.
- keikobadthebad 3y agoSomebody's buying all those pi-alikes from China with emmc, and they're not buying sd-only boards like rpi.
- undersuit 3y agoAre they using eMMC? Or is it an unused feature most of the time? I'm arguing why the mainstream option doesn't have the obscure technical feature. You what also sells like hotcakes? Raspberry Pi Compute Modules with eMMC.
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- ur-whale 3y agoI that is real (I doubt it), then the Raspi 5 still doe not have an NVME port, which is a big downer AFAIC.
- zen_1 3y agoI just hope the BCM2712 has its full TRM released
- aseipp 3y agoFinally! The Cortex-A76 is ARMv8.2 at least, so it has a non-LL/SC atomics model (Large System Extensions). You'd normally have to call out to libatomics for outlined implementations that could choose the right instructions at runtime, but with this there might be hope to finally assume armv8.2 as a rough minimum... Benchmarks are nothing groundbreaking but wins are consistent and in some cases pretty big (2x throughput/50% of the rpi4 wall clock time, etc.) Nice fan header. I'll take it!
- intsunny 3y agoIt blows my mind how shitty Raspberry PI foundation are to their community: - They prioritized industry over community, and made it almost impossible for hobbyists to get any meaningful hardware for so long. - They allowed retailers like Pimoroni price gouge Raspberry PI's by forcing everyone to buy really expensive bundles of needles cables, power adapters, officially licensed toothbrushes, and other nonsense - And then, after all that drama, they release a new edition of the flagship product and make community members have buyers remorse over waiting so long and paying $400 for a Raspi Pi 4 2GB + officially licensed socks bundle. (The prices of Raspi Pi 4's in some countries was/is really shocking and sad.)
- schappim 3y ago> It blows my mind how shitty Raspberry PI foundation are to their community: You are conflating Raspberry Pi (Trading) Ltd and Raspberry Pi Foundation. The foundation is hardware agnostic, and even create content for 3rd party micros such as the micro:bit [1]. > prioritized industry over community, and made it almost impossible for hobbyists to get any meaningful hardware for so long The company went through an existential crisis during the silicon shortage / pandemic. They had to make very hard decisions. The "prioritized industry" was mostly constrained to older hardware w/ larger process node sizes (Raspberry Pi 3), and compute module. [1] https://projects.raspberrypi.org/en/projects/getting-started-with-microbit https://projects.raspberrypi.org/en/projects/getting-started...
- ako 3y agoWhy does a pi 5 with no enclosure need active cooling, whereas a MacBook Air doesn’t?
- nord73 3y agoThe MBA uses more modern technology with a completely different price point?
- ako 3y agoYes, but what technical aspect explains the difference, they’re both based on energy efficient arm technology. TDP for the cortex is lower I think? Is it the silicon size? Cortex is used in fanless phones.
- beebeepka 3y agoPrice difference is only about 50 times.
- ako 3y agoPrice is a consequence, not a cause. If they make the price of the pi 50 times higher, it doesn't mean it no longer needs active cooling. I'm interested in knowing what the technical differences are that impact the cooling, and i understand these differences may come at different costs, and thus different prices. But seeing they're both low energy chips for mobile use cases, and both used for use cases where passive cooling is sufficient, i'm trying to understand why the pi needs active cooling.
- burmanm 3y agoCan't help but I feel slightly disappointed. This is essentially a weaker version of RK3588 based SBCs, but lacks both smaller cores as well as NPU. And those boards are available with 16GB of memory. And we're talking about a very old core at this point, A76 really isn't new (~5 years old core). That isn't to said it's useless, the Ampere Altra is using basically the same arch as this one and it's perfectly usable. But if I wanted a small machine, an Alder Lake-N is a lot faster and at the same price - and runs perfectly with upstream Linux. I feel like the only nice selling point is now the formfactor and hopeful future "neat-little-addons" to this one. RK3588 can't use upstream and I assume this one will not either for now (Phoronix left that out of their article - curious). I would hope this gets better support than the RK3588, but when? And since this is actively cooled in any case, the ADL-N looks far more interesting as cheap computing/server solution.
- yjftsjthsd-h 3y agoYeah, IMO this is kind of... boring? I mean, the PCI thing is nice, the performance is a nice bump, maybe they'll improve availability, but this seems like it's really just a Pi 4.1; I had hoped the Pi 5 would be RISC-V. Or at least UEFI[0], although I can't find confirmation at all about the firmware status so fingers crossed. [0] Edit: Yes I know there are UEFI builds for Pis 3 and 4, but since there's no onboard memory to hold it you have to chain load it from an SD which undermines the usefulness of the thing IMO.
- Roark66 3y agoReally Raspberry Pi people? I guess availability of cheap very useful boards like rpi zero 2w was a fluke and no one intends to come back to that. Now they're just focusing on designing expensive boards like every other commercial manufacturer. I could understand if they were struggling financially, but there have been tens of millions of £ of (UK) government and private donations to their "charity" precisely to keep low cost boards available at low cost to enable tinkering.
- pavlov 3y agoWhy can’t they have both a flagship model and the cheap Zero boards? As you point out, it seems they have enough resources to develop multiple products.
- ltbarcly3 3y agoThey (Phoronix) are benchmarking the RP5 against an Orange Pi 5. There is also an Orange Pi 5 Plus, which adds a ton of stuff. If you don't need the Raspberry Pi specifically for some reason, the Orange Pi Plus is faster and has way more features, and to me is very interesting for a lot of use cases. Plus you can buy them without fighting with scalpers or being limited to buying 1. http://www.orangepi.org/html/hardWare/computerAndMicrocontrollers/details/Orange-Pi-5-plus.html http://www.orangepi.org/html/hardWare/computerAndMicrocontro... https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805557178947.html https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805557178947.html
- vardump 3y agoTwo words: software support.
- ltbarcly3 3y agoWhat software are you concerned about? I'm running Debian and I can apt-install anything in the arm repositories, which is basically everything. Neither the RP5 nor the rk3588 used on the Orange Pi have everything supported in mainline kernels, but in a year or so both probably will.
- yjftsjthsd-h 3y agoOS support, yes; the ARM ecosystem is overall a trash fire in terms of being able to use mainline Linux. Even Pis don't actually have a good track record with actual mainline Linux, but they're popular enough that their downstream patches are actually maintained so you can keep using current kernels; most boards get whatever buggy kernel the vendor drops when it ships and then nothing. Now AIUI Orange Pis do actually have a decent track record for upstream kernel support? So that might be fine in this case, but I deeply sympathize with people not wanting to figure it out and just going with the name brand that they know will get supported.
- forty 3y agoI have one orange pi board where I messed a bit with the OS/kernel. I think the kernel patches where copy of a competitor similar board with the same SoC (if I remember correctly a friendlyelec board) where the fact that it was copy pasting showed in places where they forgot to replace the name of the board...
- fulafel 3y agoHas there been any info that would enable guesses about level of availability or lack thereof?
- schappim 3y agoIf you look at https://rpilocator.com https://rpilocator.com , you'll notice that availability is closely mapped to process node size ;-)
- ltbarcly3 3y agoIt quotes usb-c 5v@5A. I don't think I've ever seen a device that could provide 5V@5A over usb, is this a thing? It seems like this is going to really limit the flexibility of powering this.
- erickj 3y agoUSB-C form factor plus USB-PD (power delivery) is rated up to 100W. 5V @5amps is the base power level for PD https://www.asme.org/topics-resources/content/explore-the-basics-of-usb-c-and-usb-power-delivery https://www.asme.org/topics-resources/content/explore-the-ba...
- ltbarcly3 3y agoMaybe the spec allows that pairing (5V@5A) to exist, but it's not implemented in any power supply! Total wattage is irrelevant if the RP5 only accepts 5V. Feel free to link to one if one exists. For sure virtually no PD power supplies support it. Example: https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-One-Port-Charger-Laptops-Delivery/dp/B087MD5MYH https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-One-Port-Charger-Laptops... Specs: PD 3.0 (USB-C Port): 5V ⎓ 3A / 9V ⎓ 3A / 12V ⎓ 3A / 15V ⎓ 3A /20V ⎓ 3.25A (Up to 65W) There are tons and tons of examples like this. Example: https://www.anker.com/products/a2341 https://www.anker.com/products/a2341 From what I can tell this is a top of the line Anker GaN charger which can produce 140W. However, if you look in the manual: 5.0V 3.0A / 9.0V 3.0A / 15.0V 3.0A / 20.0V 5.0A / 28.0V 5.0A (140.0W Max) The only power supply I have seen that can do this rediculous 5A at 5V is the one being released for the RP5, https://www.sparkfun.com/products/23584 https://www.sparkfun.com/products/23584 You can see from the picture it actually outputs a nonstandard 5.1V@5A, suggesting that the voltage drop due to the cable actually causes problems powering the RP5 so they built a 'hot' power supply to try to correct for it. This seems like a pretty big design flaw, why not just design the RP5 so it can negotiate a higher voltage on PD? It looks like it has room for a couple mosfets to implement this.
- oplaadpunt 3y agoYes, I have a 130W laptop usb-c charger from Delll. It has 20V/6.5A.
- christkv 3y agoFound this as well https://datasheets.raspberrypi.com/rpi5/raspberry-pi-5-product-brief.pdf https://datasheets.raspberrypi.com/rpi5/raspberry-pi-5-produ...
- ChrisArchitect 3y agoMore discussion over here on official post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37685580 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37685580
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