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Hm. Last I checked, the USA is #12 among nations in firearms deaths. Behind some other first-world countries. Fun to write stuff like that and feel the righteo
by JoeAltmaier 3y ago
Hm. Last I checked, the USA is #12 among nations in firearms deaths. Behind some other first-world countries.
Fun to write stuff like that and feel the righteous indignation. If only it were true.
- richev 3y ago[citation needed]
- jhardy54 3y agoIn case it saves anyone a minute or two, here’s a link that doesn’t strike me as super suspicious: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_guns_and_homicide https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_guns_an... - Intentional homocides per capita: 59th - Firearms per person: 1st - Firearm-related deaths per capita: 9th (and 1–8 are all in Central America or South America, with the exception of Jamaica)
- scosman 3y agoSource? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm...
- adgjlsfhk1 3y agoWrong. #2 behind brazil https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-death.... Per capita it's lower (around 12th), behind Venezuela,Guatemala, Colombia, Brazil,Puerto Rico, Honduras, Mexico, Haiti, Trinidad And Tobago, Jamaica, Dominican Republic, and Uruguay
- beart 3y agoDoing a quick search puts the U.S. at number 2 in 2019, but I haven't studied this closely. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-death...
- stereo 3y agoThe death rate by firearm in the US is higher, per capita, than in all of Europe, Asia, Africa and Oceania. Gun deaths elsewhere are more criminality and gang related. There is no other country in the world with regular school shootings. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-death https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-death...
- Eggsellence 3y agoEurope has mostly Europeans, Asia mostly Asians, Oceania (Aus & NZ) mostly Europeans. Unsurprisingly, then, if you break down the rate of homicide by firearm in the US by race, you see similar statistics. ie. European/White Americans have a rate that puts them among the safer European countries; African Americans are among the highest in the world.
- mslt 3y agoPlease tell me you’re not trying to say what it seems like you’re trying to say. There are few disadvantageous statistics in the us that don’t disadvantage the black community in the US, and there’s more than correlation to back up those relationships.
- Eggsellence 3y agoOf course I'd be flagged/banned for publicly suggesting a genetic factor behind that correlation, so I wouldn't do that. I only highlighted the correlation, and it is a very strong one, between race and rate of homicide by firearm in the US. Our own biases are going to heavily influence what we perceive to be the underlying reason behind this phenomenon.
- rich_sasha 3y agoI think it's a stretch, to out it mildly, to imply that gun violence stats are a persistent derivative of race.
- Eggsellence 3y ago
- et-al 3y agoWhich countries do you consider first-world? Venezuela, Brazil, Colombia?
- tessierashpool 3y agoFun to write stuff like that and feel the righteous indignation. If only it were true. Except you obviously moved the goalposts there. The "this" there is no way to prevent, in the only nation where it happens, is school shootings. We are not just at the top of that list, we're at the bottom as well, because it doesn't happen anywhere else. Hence the title.
- Turing_Machine 3y agoOf the reported primary school attacks over the last 20 years, 20/85 have occurred in the United States, 65/85 have occurred in other countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_related_to_primary_schools https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_related_to_pri... So much for "this is the only country where this happens". Granted, some of these are "school stabbings" or "school bombings" or "school throwing kids out of a window", but the death tolls appear to be of similar magnitude. There are exceptions (e.g., Uvalde, where the death toll had more to do with police cowardice than choice of weapon). The problem here isn't "guy has a gun", the problem is "guy wants to kill a bunch of people". Until the real problem is acknowledged, nothing is going to change.
- taylodl 3y ago> So much for "this is the only country where this happens". Which isn't what was said. What was said is this is the only country where this regularly happens. The U.S. comprises 5% of the of the world's population yet endures 24% of the world's primary school attacks over the last 20 years.
- yeetawayhn 3y agoWhy did you move the goalposts from "school" to "primary school"?
- taylodl 3y agoJust referencing the statistic the parent commenter mentioned
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- peteforde 3y agoI would find value in hearing why an intelligent person rolls their eyes instead of feeling righteous indignation. It's really, really hard for me to understand why gun violence doesn't make you feel indignation, righteous or otherwise. But right now, I am willing to listen.
- JoeAltmaier 3y agoI guess all the other preventable deaths - suicide, highway accidents, obesity. That we do little or nothing about - they've been unchanged or growing for decades.
- yeetawayhn 3y agoPer the CDC: >Excessive alcohol use was responsible for more than 140,000 deaths in the United States each year Firearm deaths don't even break 5 digits.
- peteforde 3y agoI guess dudes shooting up public schools just hits different for some of us.