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'No Way to Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

59 points by SushiHippie 3y ago

JoeAltmaier 3y ago
Hm. Last I checked, the USA is #12 among nations in firearms deaths. Behind some other first-world countries. Fun to write stuff like that and feel the righteous indignation. If only it were true.
- richev 3y ago
  [citation needed]
  - jhardy54 3y ago
    In case it saves anyone a minute or two, here’s a link that doesn’t strike me as super suspicious: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_guns_and_homicide https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_guns_an... - Intentional homocides per capita: 59th - Firearms per person: 1st - Firearm-related deaths per capita: 9th (and 1–8 are all in Central America or South America, with the exception of Jamaica)
- scosman 3y ago
  Source? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm...
- adgjlsfhk1 3y ago
  Wrong. #2 behind brazil https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-death.... Per capita it's lower (around 12th), behind Venezuela,Guatemala, Colombia, Brazil,Puerto Rico, Honduras, Mexico, Haiti, Trinidad And Tobago, Jamaica, Dominican Republic, and Uruguay
- beart 3y ago
  Doing a quick search puts the U.S. at number 2 in 2019, but I haven't studied this closely. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-death...
- stereo 3y ago
  The death rate by firearm in the US is higher, per capita, than in all of Europe, Asia, Africa and Oceania. Gun deaths elsewhere are more criminality and gang related. There is no other country in the world with regular school shootings. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-death https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-death...
  - Eggsellence 3y ago
    Europe has mostly Europeans, Asia mostly Asians, Oceania (Aus & NZ) mostly Europeans. Unsurprisingly, then, if you break down the rate of homicide by firearm in the US by race, you see similar statistics. ie. European/White Americans have a rate that puts them among the safer European countries; African Americans are among the highest in the world.
    - mslt 3y ago
      Please tell me you’re not trying to say what it seems like you’re trying to say. There are few disadvantageous statistics in the us that don’t disadvantage the black community in the US, and there’s more than correlation to back up those relationships.
      - Eggsellence 3y ago
        Of course I'd be flagged/banned for publicly suggesting a genetic factor behind that correlation, so I wouldn't do that. I only highlighted the correlation, and it is a very strong one, between race and rate of homicide by firearm in the US. Our own biases are going to heavily influence what we perceive to be the underlying reason behind this phenomenon.
    - rich_sasha 3y ago
      I think it's a stretch, to out it mildly, to imply that gun violence stats are a persistent derivative of race.
      - Eggsellence 3y ago
- et-al 3y ago
  Which countries do you consider first-world? Venezuela, Brazil, Colombia?
- tessierashpool 3y ago
  Fun to write stuff like that and feel the righteous indignation. If only it were true. Except you obviously moved the goalposts there. The "this" there is no way to prevent, in the only nation where it happens, is school shootings. We are not just at the top of that list, we're at the bottom as well, because it doesn't happen anywhere else. Hence the title.
  - Turing_Machine 3y ago
    Of the reported primary school attacks over the last 20 years, 20/85 have occurred in the United States, 65/85 have occurred in other countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_related_to_primary_schools https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_related_to_pri... So much for "this is the only country where this happens". Granted, some of these are "school stabbings" or "school bombings" or "school throwing kids out of a window", but the death tolls appear to be of similar magnitude. There are exceptions (e.g., Uvalde, where the death toll had more to do with police cowardice than choice of weapon). The problem here isn't "guy has a gun", the problem is "guy wants to kill a bunch of people". Until the real problem is acknowledged, nothing is going to change.
    - taylodl 3y ago
      > So much for "this is the only country where this happens". Which isn't what was said. What was said is this is the only country where this regularly happens. The U.S. comprises 5% of the of the world's population yet endures 24% of the world's primary school attacks over the last 20 years.
      - yeetawayhn 3y ago
        Why did you move the goalposts from "school" to "primary school"?
        taylodl 3y ago
        Just referencing the statistic the parent commenter mentioned
- deleted 3y ago
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- peteforde 3y ago
  I would find value in hearing why an intelligent person rolls their eyes instead of feeling righteous indignation. It's really, really hard for me to understand why gun violence doesn't make you feel indignation, righteous or otherwise. But right now, I am willing to listen.
  - JoeAltmaier 3y ago
    I guess all the other preventable deaths - suicide, highway accidents, obesity. That we do little or nothing about - they've been unchanged or growing for decades.
    - yeetawayhn 3y ago
      Per the CDC: >Excessive alcohol use was responsible for more than 140,000 deaths in the United States each year Firearm deaths don't even break 5 digits.
      - peteforde 3y ago
        I guess dudes shooting up public schools just hits different for some of us.
throwawaaarrgh 3y ago
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- richev 3y ago
  They scream and stemp their feet for sure, but not for long. It worked in Australia [1] [1] https://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback https://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback
  - Ancapistani 3y ago
    The culture of Australia is not the culture of the United States. I am extremely confident attempting to repeal the Second Amendment wouldbe met with violence if necessary. Lone actors, small groups, guerrilla warfare, or full-blown civil war are all not only likely, but all but guaranteed depending on the specifics. Plus, firearms are durable goods, and won’t just “go away” even if you ignore the political implications. There are literally more firearms in the US than people. Please note that my comments here, unless otherwise stated, are informed by my understanding of the political environment rather than my personal beliefs.
    - yowzadave 3y ago
      Can you not just regulate the ammo? No need to take the guns away if you just stop selling the ammo, which will presumably be exhausted over time.
      - Ancapistani 3y ago
        "Arms" are not limited to firearms - ammunition is included in that. If we sidestep that, then there's the fact that many of us reload. Aside from a few oddball calibers, I shoot almost exclusively ammunition that I've manufactured at home from components. If you manage to regulate components out of circulation, they can be made at home, from relatively common supplies, without too much additional effort.
  - defrost 3y ago
what-no-tests 3y ago
> "By re-running the same commentary it strengthens the original commentary tenfold each time. ... In the wake of these really terrible things, we have this comment that really holds up." I remember there was that one guy who said something about repeating the same thing over and over until it became true.
natvert 3y ago
Firearm related X is the wrong thing to measure. Obviously if guns are truly banned, there will be no gun crime. There will still however be knife crime, fist crime, car crime, etc. The thing we want to measure is if we can (as a country) live our lives in peace. Better measures of this might be all crime, violent crime, life-span related measures, or even mental health and drug abuse. Banning one specific thing does not change human nature. We need to take a holistic view to address many issues underlying violent crime, firearm related or not.
- sebazzz 3y ago
  > Obviously if guns are truly banned, there will be no gun crime. There will still however be knife crime, fist crime, car crime, etc. The gun is greatest weapon of destruction a regular citizen can have, is allowed to carry and buy. Knifes needs physical proximity to use.
  - Ancapistani 3y ago
    I strongly disagree. A firearm is the most effective defensive weapon a person can have, surely - but not even close to the most destructive. If someone’s goal is indiscriminate destruction, an automobile is much more effective. Explosive, incendiaries, or even poisons would be all cause more destruction than a firearm. Handguns in particular are relatively ineffective as weapons go. A knife attack is more likely to result in the death of the victim than a handgun. The reason handguns are carried more than knives for defense is that knives typically kill through blood loss while firearms do so through immediate physical trauma.
- jhanschoo 3y ago
  Having a friend attempt suicide by jumping (and survive after since emergency services got there in time) in the last month I read a book on tips to help the suicidal. It was stressed again and again to remove access from firearms from them. A gun at home is far, far easier a means to a death known to be guaranteed and painless than the stereotypical means of suicide like jumping from a public structure or overdose---and to the temporarily distorted mind to which suicide is the wrong choice, this ease of execution of a suicide method that is so final and painless is material. For how unlucky my suffering friend is, at least they did not have access to a gun.
defrost 3y ago
What worked in Australia was the national unification of gun laws - Queensland, Tasmania, and the two territorries were aligned with the laws in the (then) bulk of the populated parts of Australia - NSW, Victoria, South Australia, and Western Australia. The gun buy back was good deal to encourage people to turn in any old guns that they either didn't want to licence or were unable to licence (due to having a criminal record or the gun being fully automatic). Having a modern up to date, searchable central registry of guns, ownership, and requiring every sale to be recorded is a major advantage for Australia over the US. In Australia twelve years olds can join a gun club (with parental permission) and the majority of people can own a gun if they wish - subject to a record free from violence and a demonstration of competance and ability to keep and store weapons safely. I'm in rural Australia and have some guns for feral control use. My neighbour has a fairly decent assortment of guns and shoots ULR (ultra long range) targets at 5,000 yards. Annual setup and test with initial flight path drone PoV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7owwTz7Z0OE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7owwTz7Z0OE This would be a challenge in the US due to the uphill work required to get all US states and territories on the same page to uphold and enforce the same simplified set of core firearm regulations.
- MilStdJunkie 3y ago
  Yes. This. Unifying gun laws in America wouldn't just dike up the blood tide, it could actually increase the responsible shooting public's choice of guns. The sheer number and variety of weapons kept from the US marketplace by the gun lobby is frustrating and hilarious, considering that their war-cry elicits voter anger like almost no other. Let's think about this: how about a National Energetics License Program[0]? Totally free. Base it on something like the Security Clearance program, but make it so it doesn't cost a bazillion dollars. Measure the amount of energy (kJ/S) the handheld can put downrange in, eh, 10 seconds. Divide it by the mass-volume of the device. Create several classes based on this. Class 1: equivalent to single shot weapons, anyone can have it. Class 2: equivalent to low-capacity semiautos, revolvers, requires something like Public Trust clearance. Class 3: equivalent to high cap semiauto, Secret clearance. Class 4: full auto, Top Secret. Etc etc. Also, in my opinion, suppressors don't make it easier to liquidate schoolchildren, but they do keep the quiet outdoors. Nix the tax stamp. Also also? Those eight hundred dollar Chinese M-14 knockoffs? Belgian rifles? Mil-surp SVT-40s? Oh yeah, keep 'em comin'. Colt might be pissed. Screw 'em. In other words, it's a slightly less onerous process than the one you have on your Kia. It would prevent . . almost everything that hits the news, because damn, there is nothing tracking rapid fire weapons, at all. I could drive to the next state over and buy almost literally anything cash in hand, short of an actual full auto. This means that I'd at least need to show I'm not a flake of the first order. And shooters would legit be pretty damn happy. Unless it's that guy with the Rivian who just shovelled fifty thousand dollars into buying a tenth-hand PKM because FULL AUTO. He might be pissed. Screw him. But if you screw with your NEL, oh man, you would be done. So, so, so done. Lose the weapon or get it stolen[1] when it's unsecured? Yeah, you got problems. You'll get bad shit for anything bad that happens with your weapon. Hell, how parents dodge accessory charges for most of these shootings is a mystery to me. In Florida, this one chick left an AR on the sofa with a full mag, a round racked, safety off (State 4, aka Instant state, which means SOMETHIN'S GETTIN' SHOT). Anyway, her kid grabbed it after getting pushed around and shot his buddies outside. The little bastard's in jail basically forever, but her and the fam?> Nah, they're good. That is hot bullshit, and if you don't think so, I'm not sure what else to say. [0] We used to have citizen shooting agencies, back in the day when people didn't think the government was coming to take their babies and testicles. [1] Don't get me started on pawn shops that stay in brisk business while somehow getting a quarter of their inventory "stolen" every six months. Motherfuckers, you're not even trying to hide what you're doing . .
stop50 3y ago
I had to use the english Wikipedia to find the secondlast school schooting in Germany(the last happened just a few months ago). The mass shootings in germany since 2000 rarely exceed 4 (with the perpetator), so most of them wouldn't even be categorized as an mass shooting, the Investigative Assistance for Violent Crimes Act of 2012 would categorize a few more as mass killing but that would be just 2-3 more than the other death based definitions.
Freedom2 3y ago
I thought that the covid lockdowns and "forced" vaccines would be when we got to see conservatives and libertarians proudly enforce their 2A rights, but I guess it wasn't tyrannical enough for them, despite rhetoric indicating otherwise.
nathanaldensr 3y ago
I wish some idiot HN users would stop trying to turn this site into Reddit. Keep the trash political ragebait submissions there, please. HN is the last bastion of good discussion on the web.

59 points by SushiHippie 3y ago

Hm. Last I checked, the USA is #12 among nations in firearms deaths. Behind some other first-world countries. Fun to write stuff like that and feel the righteous indignation. If only it were true.

richev 3y ago
[citation needed]
- jhardy54 3y ago
  In case it saves anyone a minute or two, here’s a link that doesn’t strike me as super suspicious: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_guns_and_homicide https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_guns_an... - Intentional homocides per capita: 59th - Firearms per person: 1st - Firearm-related deaths per capita: 9th (and 1–8 are all in Central America or South America, with the exception of Jamaica)
scosman 3y ago
Source? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm...
adgjlsfhk1 3y ago
Wrong. #2 behind brazil https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-death.... Per capita it's lower (around 12th), behind Venezuela,Guatemala, Colombia, Brazil,Puerto Rico, Honduras, Mexico, Haiti, Trinidad And Tobago, Jamaica, Dominican Republic, and Uruguay
beart 3y ago
Doing a quick search puts the U.S. at number 2 in 2019, but I haven't studied this closely. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-death...
stereo 3y ago
The death rate by firearm in the US is higher, per capita, than in all of Europe, Asia, Africa and Oceania. Gun deaths elsewhere are more criminality and gang related. There is no other country in the world with regular school shootings. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-death https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-death...
- Eggsellence 3y ago
  Europe has mostly Europeans, Asia mostly Asians, Oceania (Aus & NZ) mostly Europeans. Unsurprisingly, then, if you break down the rate of homicide by firearm in the US by race, you see similar statistics. ie. European/White Americans have a rate that puts them among the safer European countries; African Americans are among the highest in the world.
  - mslt 3y ago
    Please tell me you’re not trying to say what it seems like you’re trying to say. There are few disadvantageous statistics in the us that don’t disadvantage the black community in the US, and there’s more than correlation to back up those relationships.
    - Eggsellence 3y ago
      Of course I'd be flagged/banned for publicly suggesting a genetic factor behind that correlation, so I wouldn't do that. I only highlighted the correlation, and it is a very strong one, between race and rate of homicide by firearm in the US. Our own biases are going to heavily influence what we perceive to be the underlying reason behind this phenomenon.
  - rich_sasha 3y ago
    I think it's a stretch, to out it mildly, to imply that gun violence stats are a persistent derivative of race.
    - Eggsellence 3y ago
et-al 3y ago
Which countries do you consider first-world? Venezuela, Brazil, Colombia?
tessierashpool 3y ago
Fun to write stuff like that and feel the righteous indignation. If only it were true. Except you obviously moved the goalposts there. The "this" there is no way to prevent, in the only nation where it happens, is school shootings. We are not just at the top of that list, we're at the bottom as well, because it doesn't happen anywhere else. Hence the title.
- Turing_Machine 3y ago
  Of the reported primary school attacks over the last 20 years, 20/85 have occurred in the United States, 65/85 have occurred in other countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_related_to_primary_schools https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_related_to_pri... So much for "this is the only country where this happens". Granted, some of these are "school stabbings" or "school bombings" or "school throwing kids out of a window", but the death tolls appear to be of similar magnitude. There are exceptions (e.g., Uvalde, where the death toll had more to do with police cowardice than choice of weapon). The problem here isn't "guy has a gun", the problem is "guy wants to kill a bunch of people". Until the real problem is acknowledged, nothing is going to change.
  - taylodl 3y ago
    > So much for "this is the only country where this happens". Which isn't what was said. What was said is this is the only country where this regularly happens. The U.S. comprises 5% of the of the world's population yet endures 24% of the world's primary school attacks over the last 20 years.
    - yeetawayhn 3y ago
      Why did you move the goalposts from "school" to "primary school"?
      - taylodl 3y ago
        Just referencing the statistic the parent commenter mentioned
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peteforde 3y ago
I would find value in hearing why an intelligent person rolls their eyes instead of feeling righteous indignation. It's really, really hard for me to understand why gun violence doesn't make you feel indignation, righteous or otherwise. But right now, I am willing to listen.
- JoeAltmaier 3y ago
  I guess all the other preventable deaths - suicide, highway accidents, obesity. That we do little or nothing about - they've been unchanged or growing for decades.
  - yeetawayhn 3y ago
    Per the CDC: >Excessive alcohol use was responsible for more than 140,000 deaths in the United States each year Firearm deaths don't even break 5 digits.
    - peteforde 3y ago
      I guess dudes shooting up public schools just hits different for some of us.

throwawaaarrgh 3y ago

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richev 3y ago
They scream and stemp their feet for sure, but not for long. It worked in Australia [1] [1] https://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback https://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback
- Ancapistani 3y ago
  The culture of Australia is not the culture of the United States. I am extremely confident attempting to repeal the Second Amendment wouldbe met with violence if necessary. Lone actors, small groups, guerrilla warfare, or full-blown civil war are all not only likely, but all but guaranteed depending on the specifics. Plus, firearms are durable goods, and won’t just “go away” even if you ignore the political implications. There are literally more firearms in the US than people. Please note that my comments here, unless otherwise stated, are informed by my understanding of the political environment rather than my personal beliefs.
  - yowzadave 3y ago
    Can you not just regulate the ammo? No need to take the guns away if you just stop selling the ammo, which will presumably be exhausted over time.
    - Ancapistani 3y ago
      "Arms" are not limited to firearms - ammunition is included in that. If we sidestep that, then there's the fact that many of us reload. Aside from a few oddball calibers, I shoot almost exclusively ammunition that I've manufactured at home from components. If you manage to regulate components out of circulation, they can be made at home, from relatively common supplies, without too much additional effort.
- defrost 3y ago

what-no-tests 3y ago

> "By re-running the same commentary it strengthens the original commentary tenfold each time. ... In the wake of these really terrible things, we have this comment that really holds up." I remember there was that one guy who said something about repeating the same thing over and over until it became true.

natvert 3y ago

Firearm related X is the wrong thing to measure. Obviously if guns are truly banned, there will be no gun crime. There will still however be knife crime, fist crime, car crime, etc. The thing we want to measure is if we can (as a country) live our lives in peace. Better measures of this might be all crime, violent crime, life-span related measures, or even mental health and drug abuse. Banning one specific thing does not change human nature. We need to take a holistic view to address many issues underlying violent crime, firearm related or not.

sebazzz 3y ago
> Obviously if guns are truly banned, there will be no gun crime. There will still however be knife crime, fist crime, car crime, etc. The gun is greatest weapon of destruction a regular citizen can have, is allowed to carry and buy. Knifes needs physical proximity to use.
- Ancapistani 3y ago
  I strongly disagree. A firearm is the most effective defensive weapon a person can have, surely - but not even close to the most destructive. If someone’s goal is indiscriminate destruction, an automobile is much more effective. Explosive, incendiaries, or even poisons would be all cause more destruction than a firearm. Handguns in particular are relatively ineffective as weapons go. A knife attack is more likely to result in the death of the victim than a handgun. The reason handguns are carried more than knives for defense is that knives typically kill through blood loss while firearms do so through immediate physical trauma.
jhanschoo 3y ago
Having a friend attempt suicide by jumping (and survive after since emergency services got there in time) in the last month I read a book on tips to help the suicidal. It was stressed again and again to remove access from firearms from them. A gun at home is far, far easier a means to a death known to be guaranteed and painless than the stereotypical means of suicide like jumping from a public structure or overdose---and to the temporarily distorted mind to which suicide is the wrong choice, this ease of execution of a suicide method that is so final and painless is material. For how unlucky my suffering friend is, at least they did not have access to a gun.

defrost 3y ago

What worked in Australia was the national unification of gun laws - Queensland, Tasmania, and the two territorries were aligned with the laws in the (then) bulk of the populated parts of Australia - NSW, Victoria, South Australia, and Western Australia. The gun buy back was good deal to encourage people to turn in any old guns that they either didn't want to licence or were unable to licence (due to having a criminal record or the gun being fully automatic). Having a modern up to date, searchable central registry of guns, ownership, and requiring every sale to be recorded is a major advantage for Australia over the US. In Australia twelve years olds can join a gun club (with parental permission) and the majority of people can own a gun if they wish - subject to a record free from violence and a demonstration of competance and ability to keep and store weapons safely. I'm in rural Australia and have some guns for feral control use. My neighbour has a fairly decent assortment of guns and shoots ULR (ultra long range) targets at 5,000 yards. Annual setup and test with initial flight path drone PoV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7owwTz7Z0OE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7owwTz7Z0OE This would be a challenge in the US due to the uphill work required to get all US states and territories on the same page to uphold and enforce the same simplified set of core firearm regulations.

MilStdJunkie 3y ago
Yes. This. Unifying gun laws in America wouldn't just dike up the blood tide, it could actually increase the responsible shooting public's choice of guns. The sheer number and variety of weapons kept from the US marketplace by the gun lobby is frustrating and hilarious, considering that their war-cry elicits voter anger like almost no other. Let's think about this: how about a National Energetics License Program[0]? Totally free. Base it on something like the Security Clearance program, but make it so it doesn't cost a bazillion dollars. Measure the amount of energy (kJ/S) the handheld can put downrange in, eh, 10 seconds. Divide it by the mass-volume of the device. Create several classes based on this. Class 1: equivalent to single shot weapons, anyone can have it. Class 2: equivalent to low-capacity semiautos, revolvers, requires something like Public Trust clearance. Class 3: equivalent to high cap semiauto, Secret clearance. Class 4: full auto, Top Secret. Etc etc. Also, in my opinion, suppressors don't make it easier to liquidate schoolchildren, but they do keep the quiet outdoors. Nix the tax stamp. Also also? Those eight hundred dollar Chinese M-14 knockoffs? Belgian rifles? Mil-surp SVT-40s? Oh yeah, keep 'em comin'. Colt might be pissed. Screw 'em. In other words, it's a slightly less onerous process than the one you have on your Kia. It would prevent . . almost everything that hits the news, because damn, there is nothing tracking rapid fire weapons, at all. I could drive to the next state over and buy almost literally anything cash in hand, short of an actual full auto. This means that I'd at least need to show I'm not a flake of the first order. And shooters would legit be pretty damn happy. Unless it's that guy with the Rivian who just shovelled fifty thousand dollars into buying a tenth-hand PKM because FULL AUTO. He might be pissed. Screw him. But if you screw with your NEL, oh man, you would be done. So, so, so done. Lose the weapon or get it stolen[1] when it's unsecured? Yeah, you got problems. You'll get bad shit for anything bad that happens with your weapon. Hell, how parents dodge accessory charges for most of these shootings is a mystery to me. In Florida, this one chick left an AR on the sofa with a full mag, a round racked, safety off (State 4, aka Instant state, which means SOMETHIN'S GETTIN' SHOT). Anyway, her kid grabbed it after getting pushed around and shot his buddies outside. The little bastard's in jail basically forever, but her and the fam?> Nah, they're good. That is hot bullshit, and if you don't think so, I'm not sure what else to say. [0] We used to have citizen shooting agencies, back in the day when people didn't think the government was coming to take their babies and testicles. [1] Don't get me started on pawn shops that stay in brisk business while somehow getting a quarter of their inventory "stolen" every six months. Motherfuckers, you're not even trying to hide what you're doing . .

stop50 3y ago

I had to use the english Wikipedia to find the secondlast school schooting in Germany(the last happened just a few months ago). The mass shootings in germany since 2000 rarely exceed 4 (with the perpetator), so most of them wouldn't even be categorized as an mass shooting, the Investigative Assistance for Violent Crimes Act of 2012 would categorize a few more as mass killing but that would be just 2-3 more than the other death based definitions.

Freedom2 3y ago

I thought that the covid lockdowns and "forced" vaccines would be when we got to see conservatives and libertarians proudly enforce their 2A rights, but I guess it wasn't tyrannical enough for them, despite rhetoric indicating otherwise.

nathanaldensr 3y ago

I wish some idiot HN users would stop trying to turn this site into Reddit. Keep the trash political ragebait submissions there, please. HN is the last bastion of good discussion on the web.