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War Thunder user leaks restricted military documents for AH-64D Apache Longbow
- klooney 3y agoNone more foolish than the man in the grip of a desire to win an argument on the Internet.
- brudgers 3y agoIt has been in service almost forty years, around the world and with multiple militaries. To a reasonable probability there aren’t any deep secrets left.
- Arrath 3y agoRegardless, that it keeps happening is never not funny.
- jonathankoren 3y agoDepends. Flight characteristics? Probably not. Sensors? Perhaps. They just unveiled a new mast this month. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/this-is-what-the-ah-64-apaches-new-extended-rotor-mast-does https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/this-is-what-the-ah-64...
- wkat4242 3y agoTrue most major military planes receive regular block upgrades and are pretty much unrecognizable from the initial release after a few decades, save for the airframe. Not sure if this is also the case with the Apache but I don't doubt it.
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- labster 3y agoIt has been [ 0 ] days since the last classified document leak on the War Thunder forums.
- capableweb 3y agoThird time this month, so yeah almost.
- oittaa 3y agoI wouldn't be surprised if someone posted detailed blueprints of a modern thermonuclear weapon just to win an argument. :)
- jowea 3y agoI heard that in the present day that is mostly irrelevant. The hard part is procuring adequate fissile material more than designing the bomb. Maybe an ICBM design would help North Korea?
- jdougan 3y agoIt seems like aspects of miniaturizing multi-stage fusion devices can still be difficult. Single stage unboosted fission devices should be be near trivial, so long as you have a source of fissile material (as you indicated). The other secret-ish aspect is details of the safety features and permissive action links. I say -ish because at one point the US offered to give PAL technology to the Soviets.
- justsomehnguy 3y agoThere is nothing interesting is the design itself, the hard part is how to produce some very intricate parts and materials.
- millzlane 3y agoHow long before an adversary reaches mod status and is able to see new submissions to the forum?
- yieldcrv 3y agoThats what happened to Silk Road except then those government agents went rogue and went to prison too
- emilfihlman 3y agoThese have, as have all the prior "leaks" this year, been available for years already. They are publicly available in many places, like public intelligence and various mega shares.
- posnet 3y agoMany of the recent ones are as you say, "not leaks". However the Challenger Tank one was real https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/classified-challenger-tank-specs-leaked-online-for-videogame/ https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/classified-challenger-tank-s...
- emilfihlman 3y agoYup, the tank turret rotation speed was indeed a classified document, but that was 2 years ago. Not that I don't wish that there wouldn't be more leaks, the info is juicy even if almost always pretty simple
- robbiet480 3y ago"No way to prevent this," says only forum where this regularly happens
- rewmie 3y agoWould it be possible that these leaks happen on purpose?
- GaryNumanVevo 3y agoNot really much of a conspiracy there, most of the "leaks" are technically public info NATO documents, War Thunder's developer doesn't want to touch ANYTHING that might have been classified at one point.
- 0xDEF 3y agoThat is almost certainly what is happening. There are tens of millions of Westerners who are sympathetic towards the adversaries of the West (primarily Russia).
- kakwa_ 3y agoDon't attribute to malice what could be attributed to stupidity. Most or War Thunder leaks were basically "the in game stats are wrong, here is the proof: [CLASSIFIED DOC]". And in other cases (like the Ukraine War leaks on Discord) it's just flexing like "I know things you common folks don't know". It doesn't mean nefarious leaks for money or sympathy don't occur, but there are generally far less visible.
- serf 3y agodo you have any actionable suggestions aside from moderator-approved messages or turning the forum read-only? information suppression is pretty tough work, especially when you're trying to suppress the unknown.
- mannerheim 3y agoProbably the only thing they could do to fix this problem for good is to basically not include any modern equipment at all.
- arp242 3y agoIt didn't take me a whole lot of effort to find a document with the "Distribution authorized to Department of Defense and DoD contractors only due to critical technology" disclaimer: https://www.scribd.com/doc/102459342/US-Army-Apache-Longbow-TECHNICAL-MANUAL-OPERATOR-s-MANUAL https://www.scribd.com/doc/102459342/US-Army-Apache-Longbow-... First result on https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=%22AH-64D+Apache+Longbow%22+manual&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=%22AH-64D+Apache+Longbow%22... I am available for hire as a spy.
- bordercases 3y agoYour argument doesn't hold: who was the person that uploaded the document? That person is hireable as a spy.
- justinclift 3y agos/spy/spy-hunter/ ;)
- vdfs 3y agoFor War Thunder he can be a spy-war
- Cadwhisker 3y agoFrom one of the opening pages: WARNING - This document contains technical data whose export is restricted by the Arms Export Control Act (Title 22, U.S.C., Sec 2751, et seq.) or the Export Administration Act of 1979, as amended, Title 50 U.S.C., App. 2401 et seq. Violation of these export laws are subject to severe criminal penalties. Disseminate in accordance with provisions of DoD Directive 5230.25. DISTRIBUTION STATEMENT D - Distribution authorized to the Department of Defense and DoD contractors only due to critical technology. This determination was made on 26 June 2000. Other requests for this document shall be referred to Commander, U.S. Army Aviation and Missile Command, ATTN: SFAE-AV-AAH- ATH, Redstone Arsenal, AL 35898 - 5000. DESTRUCTION NOTICE - Destroy by any method that will prevent disclosure of contents or reconstruction of the document. You can only hope that the uploader is who they say they are...
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- jonathankoren 3y agoFor those keeping score at home, this is the thirteenth time this has happened.
- westmeal 3y agoHahaha I thought this was a repost at first that's awesome!
- Alupis 3y agoDoes anybody understand why this happens within the War Thunder community? It's not like War Thunder is a hardcode simulator - why on earth do the players need real manuals anyway? Why does this not happen for DCS or any of the much more serious simulators?
- Arrath 3y ago> Why does this not happen for DCS or any of the much more serious simulators? Size of the player base? I imagine there are an order of magnitude more daily WT players than there are DCS players, for instance. And while WT isn't a hardcore simulation, it is detailed enough that obscure technical details can make a difference in gameplay balance, combine that with someone salty about getting blown up in a situation they shouldn't ("the game has that panel 12mm too thin and 3 degrees off, the round actually would have bounced!") and obsessing over their favorite piece of Olive Drab steel, well, we find ourselves in this situation. Yet again.
- Alupis 3y agoI would get all that, for a hardcore sim. Back in the day there was an F-16 Falcon simulator where people regularly used real (old) manuals to learn how to just start the aircraft. But I have doubts War Thunder is modeled accurately enough for a real service manual to actually make any difference for any of the players. War Thunder, from appearances, looks very arcadey and designed to be fun for most players. Sims usually involve 20 minute startup sequences, weight balance shifting, etc... I just don't understand this with War Thunder.
- sudosysgen 3y agoWar Thunder has multiple game modes, one of which is very arcadey, one of which is relatively realistic, the other which is a simulator. Most of these players play the middle one, which attempts to model everything as accurately as possible from public information but which automates and abstracts common aircraft-specific sequences. That way you can have a relatively realistic multiplayer experience and something that approximates a life outside of it. The realistic mode can optionally also hold your hands through many aspects of operating the aircraft, at a significant cost in performance, so more serious players will play with "simulator controls" (and will map more advanced things such as changing fuel mixture/prop angle/radiator activation, etc..., like you'd do on a proper simulator). The developers in theory and sometimes in practice will correct inaccuracies in performance or capabilities if you can point them out from non-classified sources. Unlocking modern vehicles takes 100-600$ or hundreds (sometimes thousands) of hours, and sometimes due to inaccuracies they end up being or becoming non-viable, so some people are irrationally motivated to change that.
- dathinab 3y agoI wonder if some of this leaks are fromn people paid, threatened or otherwise "moved by external forces" to do the leak
- metaphor 3y ago> Here is the official us government status about declassification of the document. > If the user was blocked please reinstate his account and his post, as the manual is FULLY UNCLASSIFIED. Bona fide clown. "FULLY UNCLASSIFIED" doesn't mean shit[1]. [1] https://www.esd.whs.mil/portals/54/documents/dd/issuances/dodi/523024p.pdf https://www.esd.whs.mil/portals/54/documents/dd/issuances/do...