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I have my doubts about unions in our particular industry sector, but out in the real world there are many, many jobs that you would have to be insane to take up

I have my doubts about unions in our particular industry sector, but out in the real world there are many, many jobs that you would have to be insane to take up without a union at your back.

Woshiwuja 3y ago
Unions are fundamental in every line of work. Not having them is a huge problem. In Europe there isnt a single job without an union behind, wonder why in America that doesnt happen
- braza 3y ago
  > In Europe there isnt a single job without an union behind Not correct for the whole Europe. In some places in Central Europe you do not have a Union but instead Work Council that intermediates and oversees the management and acts in the interest of employees. Personally I like the idea, but at least in some counties it became an instrument of job protection for old employees that sometimes has a different agenda than other employees.
- nxm 3y ago
  As a result of this, there’s a less dynamic job market and lower wages. Companies essentially take on additional risks when hiring there where if it the hire is bad, as they’re unable to or it’s very costly to terminate the employee. This results in a risk premium that is offset via lower wages. I’ll take the U.S. tech sector without unions anyday.
- nonethewiser 3y ago
  > Unions are fundamental in every line of work. Fundamental in what sense? In most of the world, most of the industries are not unionized. And where there are unions, they came after the line of work started. Which makes unions seem not fundamental at all. > In Europe there isnt a single job without an union behind Not true at all. Most professional service oriented jobs are not unionized. Even in places like Germany where unions are relatively common.
- em-bee 3y ago
  the easiest difference to notice is that in the US creating a union inside a company needs to be voted on, whereas eg in germany a council elected by employees is mandated for any company with more than 50 employees. unions are not created in the company but exist outside and any employee is free to join them at any time. if a company has enough union members they can take action there. which means growth of unions is just a matter of individual choice of each employee. and there is nothing the company can to to stop it.
  - Woshiwuja 3y ago
    Same in Italy. It baffles me that in the great democracy (/s) people can't come together to get fair treatment from employers. sad.
- mikecoles 3y ago
  Americans are smart enough and strong enough to not have to hide behind a 'powerful union'. Unions are nothing more than legalized mob. The are worthless for productivity and a disaster for those who are eager to work.
  - weatherlight 3y ago
    The United States has a rich history of effective organized labor. Not sure what you are getting at here.
  - em-bee 3y ago
    that's because unlike in europe unions in the US did not manage to get the same level of worker protection changed into law. US unions need to act like a mob because corporations are to powerful. compare that to eg. germany where there are more laws to protect employees so that pretty much the only job unions have left to do is to negotiate salaries and benefits.
  - Woshiwuja 3y ago
    What does this even mean? Smart and strong enough to get abused by the Company? lmao. Talk about being fucked so much you start to like it
- hooverd 3y ago
  In two words, Taft–Hartley.
- ocschwar 3y ago
  > Unions are fundamental in every line of work They are fundamental in that they blunt the threat I face if I fell out of my present line of work and had to take something that would rough up my baby soft laptop jockey hands. If they have a better bargaining position, I have a better bargaining position because it's less of a loss if I have to join their ranks.

I have my doubts about unions in our particular industry sector, but out in the real world there are many, many jobs that you would have to be insane to take up without a union at your back.

Woshiwuja 3y ago

Unions are fundamental in every line of work. Not having them is a huge problem. In Europe there isnt a single job without an union behind, wonder why in America that doesnt happen

braza 3y ago
> In Europe there isnt a single job without an union behind Not correct for the whole Europe. In some places in Central Europe you do not have a Union but instead Work Council that intermediates and oversees the management and acts in the interest of employees. Personally I like the idea, but at least in some counties it became an instrument of job protection for old employees that sometimes has a different agenda than other employees.
nxm 3y ago
As a result of this, there’s a less dynamic job market and lower wages. Companies essentially take on additional risks when hiring there where if it the hire is bad, as they’re unable to or it’s very costly to terminate the employee. This results in a risk premium that is offset via lower wages. I’ll take the U.S. tech sector without unions anyday.
nonethewiser 3y ago
> Unions are fundamental in every line of work. Fundamental in what sense? In most of the world, most of the industries are not unionized. And where there are unions, they came after the line of work started. Which makes unions seem not fundamental at all. > In Europe there isnt a single job without an union behind Not true at all. Most professional service oriented jobs are not unionized. Even in places like Germany where unions are relatively common.
em-bee 3y ago
the easiest difference to notice is that in the US creating a union inside a company needs to be voted on, whereas eg in germany a council elected by employees is mandated for any company with more than 50 employees. unions are not created in the company but exist outside and any employee is free to join them at any time. if a company has enough union members they can take action there. which means growth of unions is just a matter of individual choice of each employee. and there is nothing the company can to to stop it.
- Woshiwuja 3y ago
  Same in Italy. It baffles me that in the great democracy (/s) people can't come together to get fair treatment from employers. sad.
mikecoles 3y ago
Americans are smart enough and strong enough to not have to hide behind a 'powerful union'. Unions are nothing more than legalized mob. The are worthless for productivity and a disaster for those who are eager to work.
- weatherlight 3y ago
  The United States has a rich history of effective organized labor. Not sure what you are getting at here.
- em-bee 3y ago
  that's because unlike in europe unions in the US did not manage to get the same level of worker protection changed into law. US unions need to act like a mob because corporations are to powerful. compare that to eg. germany where there are more laws to protect employees so that pretty much the only job unions have left to do is to negotiate salaries and benefits.
- Woshiwuja 3y ago
  What does this even mean? Smart and strong enough to get abused by the Company? lmao. Talk about being fucked so much you start to like it
hooverd 3y ago
In two words, Taft–Hartley.
ocschwar 3y ago
> Unions are fundamental in every line of work They are fundamental in that they blunt the threat I face if I fell out of my present line of work and had to take something that would rough up my baby soft laptop jockey hands. If they have a better bargaining position, I have a better bargaining position because it's less of a loss if I have to join their ranks.