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I remember years ago, when the EU first announced they would force Apple to switch to USB-C (well, not specifically Apple, but mandate a single cable type), the

by anhner 3y ago

I remember years ago, when the EU first announced they would force Apple to switch to USB-C (well, not specifically Apple, but mandate a single cable type), there were droves of users on HN wailing that "what business does EU have to dictate which cable companies should use?" Yet here we are, everyone praising iPhone 15 for having a USB-C connector. I am looking forward to a couple of years down the line when we can say the same about the App Store. Worldwide, Android has a bigger market share than iPhone and it also allows alternative stores, and lo and behold, none of the things that users here complain about have come to pass.

a-user-you-like 3y ago
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- amelius 3y ago
  > to coerce men to do what you want You make it sound as if it's their god given right to make products as they please but that is not how the law works, and it's a good thing, because without laws we'd end up with stuff that works only in the vendor's best interest and ends up as e-waste sooner than necessary. It is also fair, because society is what ultimately allows these companies to exist.
  - a-user-you-like 3y ago
    Of course it’s their God given right. It shouldn’t be their right to violate God’s law, but “my totes fav phone provider totes doesn’t have side loading” is just entitled, and an unjust use of coercion.
    - amelius 3y ago
      Fundamentally, no. Because in many EU countries people have given their lives for freedom. These people and their offspring have the right not to be bullied by large companies. If Apple wants 100% freedom in producing what they want, then Apple can start/fight for their own country with its own army, education system etc. This whole idea of a free market existing in a vacuum must stop.
      - a-user-you-like 3y ago
        I’ll let you have the last comment and won’t comment after this, but you’re equating a company not providing the feature set you want with bullying. Especially when they’re multiple alternatives with the feature you want, I think it just comes down to an entitlement mindset.
- globular-toast 3y ago
  Nobody is forcing anybody. Apple is free to pull out of the phone market entirely.
  - a-user-you-like 3y ago
    Hah, I laughed at that one. Good one. Of course the needless regulation and coercion is forcing Apple to act.
    - globular-toast 3y ago
      Needless regulation? If corporations are people, they are psychopaths. Literally. Of course we don't let psychopaths do what they want. As for the individuals working for Apple, we don't do slave labour. Nobody is being forced to do anything.
- westernpopular 3y ago
  Not men, businesses. And businesses can and should be coerced to serve the people.
  - a-user-you-like 3y ago
    Men own and work at the business, so a useless distinction.
    - malermeister 3y ago
      Men are coerced to work at the business through the threat of destitution, to use your favorite word.
- Woeps 3y ago
  " that it’s immoral to coerce men to do what you want" Wait what? but that's what community and laws are all about.
  - a-user-you-like 3y ago
    Generally laws should protect negative rights, not enforce positive ones. I can’t think of a more entitled law than “my fav phone maker totes doesn’t have side loading”. What an egregious use of force.
donatj 3y ago
With no regard for specified speed / power capabilities, USB-C is in and of itself a vastly physically inferior connection. It becomes easily impacted with pocket lint, and the tolerances are so small it can't be cleaned with normal tools. Not even just the phone, but the cable as well. I'm an Android user and I have spent years dreaming that Apple would just open Lightning to the community. I am kind of lightly thrilled at least that the Apple user base will soon realize what a nightmare it truly is.
- globular-toast 3y ago
  Big disagree. You just clean it out with a brush or something. Maintain your shit. God, imagine if you ever owned the roof over you head or something. USB-C has the retaining clips in the cable which is a replaceable and sacrificial item. Lightning has it in the device so once it goes the whole device is essentially dead. So much for "vastly inferior".
  - donatj 3y ago
    I take very good care of my things. The plug on my phone should not require daily maintenance though. I have had cell phones since the late 90s and USB-C is the only plug that has given me trouble. USB-C over a pretty short period collects lint. It gets compressed into the connector little by little every time you seat the cable and eventually your cable won't seat anymore. You then find a very solid plug in the bottom of the port that no amount of brushing will get it out. You basically have to use a very fine needle to scrape the bottom. I am guessing you have never had a USB-C phone before.
    - catchnear4321 3y ago
      had to do this with my iphone a few years ago. used a plastic toothpick (rather than metal, of course) to extract the lint. what you describe happened to the lightning port.
      - wokwokwok 3y ago

by anhner 3y ago

a-user-you-like 3y ago

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amelius 3y ago
> to coerce men to do what you want You make it sound as if it's their god given right to make products as they please but that is not how the law works, and it's a good thing, because without laws we'd end up with stuff that works only in the vendor's best interest and ends up as e-waste sooner than necessary. It is also fair, because society is what ultimately allows these companies to exist.
- a-user-you-like 3y ago
  Of course it’s their God given right. It shouldn’t be their right to violate God’s law, but “my totes fav phone provider totes doesn’t have side loading” is just entitled, and an unjust use of coercion.
  - amelius 3y ago
    Fundamentally, no. Because in many EU countries people have given their lives for freedom. These people and their offspring have the right not to be bullied by large companies. If Apple wants 100% freedom in producing what they want, then Apple can start/fight for their own country with its own army, education system etc. This whole idea of a free market existing in a vacuum must stop.
    - a-user-you-like 3y ago
      I’ll let you have the last comment and won’t comment after this, but you’re equating a company not providing the feature set you want with bullying. Especially when they’re multiple alternatives with the feature you want, I think it just comes down to an entitlement mindset.
globular-toast 3y ago
Nobody is forcing anybody. Apple is free to pull out of the phone market entirely.
- a-user-you-like 3y ago
  Hah, I laughed at that one. Good one. Of course the needless regulation and coercion is forcing Apple to act.
  - globular-toast 3y ago
    Needless regulation? If corporations are people, they are psychopaths. Literally. Of course we don't let psychopaths do what they want. As for the individuals working for Apple, we don't do slave labour. Nobody is being forced to do anything.
westernpopular 3y ago
Not men, businesses. And businesses can and should be coerced to serve the people.
- a-user-you-like 3y ago
  Men own and work at the business, so a useless distinction.
  - malermeister 3y ago
    Men are coerced to work at the business through the threat of destitution, to use your favorite word.
Woeps 3y ago
" that it’s immoral to coerce men to do what you want" Wait what? but that's what community and laws are all about.
- a-user-you-like 3y ago
  Generally laws should protect negative rights, not enforce positive ones. I can’t think of a more entitled law than “my fav phone maker totes doesn’t have side loading”. What an egregious use of force.

donatj 3y ago

With no regard for specified speed / power capabilities, USB-C is in and of itself a vastly physically inferior connection. It becomes easily impacted with pocket lint, and the tolerances are so small it can't be cleaned with normal tools. Not even just the phone, but the cable as well. I'm an Android user and I have spent years dreaming that Apple would just open Lightning to the community. I am kind of lightly thrilled at least that the Apple user base will soon realize what a nightmare it truly is.

globular-toast 3y ago
Big disagree. You just clean it out with a brush or something. Maintain your shit. God, imagine if you ever owned the roof over you head or something. USB-C has the retaining clips in the cable which is a replaceable and sacrificial item. Lightning has it in the device so once it goes the whole device is essentially dead. So much for "vastly inferior".
- donatj 3y ago
  I take very good care of my things. The plug on my phone should not require daily maintenance though. I have had cell phones since the late 90s and USB-C is the only plug that has given me trouble. USB-C over a pretty short period collects lint. It gets compressed into the connector little by little every time you seat the cable and eventually your cable won't seat anymore. You then find a very solid plug in the bottom of the port that no amount of brushing will get it out. You basically have to use a very fine needle to scrape the bottom. I am guessing you have never had a USB-C phone before.
  - catchnear4321 3y ago
    had to do this with my iphone a few years ago. used a plastic toothpick (rather than metal, of course) to extract the lint. what you describe happened to the lightning port.
    - wokwokwok 3y ago