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I support forcing open standards on tech giants. But I don’t support singling out a specific tech giant (in this case Apple), since it means Apple’s also-tech-g

by runeks 3y ago

I support forcing open standards on tech giants. But I don’t support singling out a specific tech giant (in this case Apple), since it means Apple’s also-tech-giant competitors get an upper hand. For example, why not force Google to open up Chrome, to increase interoperability? I want to be able to export saved passwords from Chrome and import them into the macOS keychain, and vice versa. If the EU focuses on Apple and forgets, say, Chrome, it might gain an even greater market share because Apple has to open up features while Google doesn’t have to open up Chrome.

Skinney 3y ago
EU did the same to Microsoft by forcing them to allow setting other browsers than IE as the default. As for Chrome, it's already pretty open. Anyone can build extensions for it and distribute it freely. The same cannot be said for iOS.
Rygian 3y ago
No one was singled out. The DMA applies to anyone with a "gatekeeper" role. Part of the criteria for the role are: having more than 45 million monthly active users and more than 10,000 yearly active business users established in the EU, for the past three years. Six companies (and in particular, 22 services offered by those companies) are currently listed as gatekeepers. [1] [1] https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_23_4328 https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_23_...
Kipters 3y ago
DMA is not singling out a specific tech giants, it targets all platform holders of a certain size. Google is hit too, they'll have to open up too.
zik 3y ago
He did say "Apple and other Big Tech" so I don't think he's singling them out especially. It's just that they're the most obvious example of a closed ecosystem right now.
e12e 3y ago
> For example, why not force Google to open up Chrome, to increase interoperability? I want to be able to export saved passwords from Chrome You can? https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/95606?hl=en&co=GENIE.Platform=Desktop#zippy=%2Cshow-edit-delete-or-export-saved-passwords https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/95606?hl=en&co=GENI...
- runeks 3y ago
  You didn’t quote me properly. The whole quote is: > I want to be able to export saved passwords from Chrome and import them into the macOS keychain, and vice versa.
  - e12e 3y ago
    I suppose perhaps you want chrome and keychain to support a single, common, import-export format, rather than having to convert between them? In the context of your whole comment and TFA it sounded more like: why make Apple support import-export when Google does not. Rather than make everyone support import-export, like Google already does?

by runeks 3y ago

Skinney 3y ago

EU did the same to Microsoft by forcing them to allow setting other browsers than IE as the default. As for Chrome, it's already pretty open. Anyone can build extensions for it and distribute it freely. The same cannot be said for iOS.

Rygian 3y ago

No one was singled out. The DMA applies to anyone with a "gatekeeper" role. Part of the criteria for the role are: having more than 45 million monthly active users and more than 10,000 yearly active business users established in the EU, for the past three years. Six companies (and in particular, 22 services offered by those companies) are currently listed as gatekeepers. [1] [1] https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_23_4328 https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_23_...

Kipters 3y ago

DMA is not singling out a specific tech giants, it targets all platform holders of a certain size. Google is hit too, they'll have to open up too.

zik 3y ago

He did say "Apple and other Big Tech" so I don't think he's singling them out especially. It's just that they're the most obvious example of a closed ecosystem right now.

e12e 3y ago

> For example, why not force Google to open up Chrome, to increase interoperability? I want to be able to export saved passwords from Chrome You can? https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/95606?hl=en&co=GENIE.Platform=Desktop#zippy=%2Cshow-edit-delete-or-export-saved-passwords https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/95606?hl=en&co=GENI...

runeks 3y ago
You didn’t quote me properly. The whole quote is: > I want to be able to export saved passwords from Chrome and import them into the macOS keychain, and vice versa.
- e12e 3y ago
  I suppose perhaps you want chrome and keychain to support a single, common, import-export format, rather than having to convert between them? In the context of your whole comment and TFA it sounded more like: why make Apple support import-export when Google does not. Rather than make everyone support import-export, like Google already does?