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If only there were phones that did exactly what you wanted

smoldesu 3y ago
The parent just said the iPhone is what they wanted. Is it hard to believe that someone could both like Apple and look forward to a world with more control over their phone?
- herbst 3y ago
  It's hard to believe yes. If people buying decisions won't reflect their believes the market has no reason to change.
  - smoldesu 3y ago
    If people's buying decisions aren't impacted by your belief, the market is stuck in a monopoly position. Remember Carnegie steel?
- tinus_hn 3y ago
  It’s not hard to believe someone would like to have their cake and eat it too. That doesn’t make it a reasonable demand though. The parents say the iPhone is what they want and that is because the iPhone is the phone you can’t accidentally break by installing alternative stores or apps or making the wrong settings. If Apple is forced to allow alternative stores, apps and settings that can break the system, the iPhone is no longer the phone they wanted.
  - smoldesu 3y ago
    > If Apple is forced to allow alternative stores [...] the iPhone is no longer the phone they wanted. I just re-read it and couldn't find the part where they said that. Do you have a direct citation from the parent, or are you just floating a guess to support your opinion?
    - tinus_hn 3y ago
      I read the comment as a generic statement about parents/old people, but as it refers to the parent comment it indeed makes little sense
cmcaleer 3y ago
The Pixel 5's security update end of life is in two weeks[0]. This is a phone that launched October 2020. My iPhone XS which I bought in 2018 just got the iOS 17 update and it's working pretty well. I want to be able to load whatever I want on my phone, but I also don't want to have to buy a new phone every couple years (or sooner! Looks like the 5a is still in production with security updates ending in 11 months) to get Android updates, or even security updates. [0]: https://endoflife.date/pixel https://endoflife.date/pixel
- jkaplowitz 3y ago
  The rumors are that the Pixel 8 and Pixel 8 Pro will launch with a promise of 7 years of updates, including not only security fixes and bug fixes but also feature drops. We’ll see what’s announces next month, but Google might be about to jump ahead of even the iPhone on this point. Disclosure: although I have worked for Google in the past, I haven’t worked for them in more than 8 years, never worked on Android or Pixel beyond internally testing pre-release Android OS versions, have never had anything to do with setting their lifecycle policies, have no inside information on these rumors, and am not speaking for Google here.
  - rnk 3y ago
    I think a challenge of pixels and android in general is they don't seem to care about how well older hardware works with new os releases (or even some updates). I have an iphone se and it seems to work just fine after installing multiple os releases. Pixel type phones seem to struggle after a few os releases, as well as android in general. I should say I usually end up buying one generation behind cur on pixel. So on top of google's short timeframe to allow 'next os release' support, apple does a better job on keeping older gen phones working well across multiple os releases.
    - jkaplowitz 3y ago
      This is one of the first generations of Pixel phones, maybe the first, where Google has had sufficient top-to-bottom vertical control over everything from the CPU on up to plausibly make this kind of promise. Apple got there before Google did, but Google may have finally arrived there. Again, I have no inside info on this despite having worked for Google many years ago. We'll see what the announcement is on October 4.
stale2002 3y ago
There will be! After the law goes into effect it will be the iPhone. Feel free to not install internet browsers that you don't like though.
- HWR_14 3y ago
  Google search, Youtube and many other properties will only work with Chromium as soon as it doesn't mean saying goodbye to iOS users.
  - kibwen 3y ago
    The mindset here is so alien to me. Do people think that the EU is willing to take action against Apple, and yet somehow unwilling to take action against Google?
    - HWR_14 3y ago
      It's currently happening. Try using YouTube or Google Search on the desktop with, for example, MS Edge. Google will tell you you should download Chrome to work better. The only reason that's not the case on iOS devices is that they don't have that option.
      - kibwen 3y ago
        You have dodged the question. You think that the EU won't take action against Google?
        labcomputer 3y ago
        Yes. A better question is why haven’t they taken action yet?
        HWR_14 3y ago
        I'm not dodging the question. It is happening now and the EU is not taking action.
        3y ago
HDThoreaun 3y ago
Which phone has iMessage and a non apple app store?
lostgame 3y ago
Yeah, I need a phone that can run Apple's GarageBand, (easily my most-used app; hundreds and hundreds of hours, and as I use Logic to create music at home and have for 15+ years, I can open up these iPhone-created files at home, establishing a workflow Ableton, for instance, has completely failed to replicate) - ideally uses iMessage so I can more easily communicate with my romantic partners who both use it; and can run a browser of my choice. I'd also like it to work with my Apple Watch. Any non-iPhone recommendations?
- tinus_hn 3y ago
  Let’s hope Apple never discontinues GarageBand lest your world collapses

The parent just said the iPhone is what they wanted. Is it hard to believe that someone could both like Apple and look forward to a world with more control over their phone?

herbst 3y ago
It's hard to believe yes. If people buying decisions won't reflect their believes the market has no reason to change.
- smoldesu 3y ago
  If people's buying decisions aren't impacted by your belief, the market is stuck in a monopoly position. Remember Carnegie steel?
tinus_hn 3y ago
It’s not hard to believe someone would like to have their cake and eat it too. That doesn’t make it a reasonable demand though. The parents say the iPhone is what they want and that is because the iPhone is the phone you can’t accidentally break by installing alternative stores or apps or making the wrong settings. If Apple is forced to allow alternative stores, apps and settings that can break the system, the iPhone is no longer the phone they wanted.
- smoldesu 3y ago
  > If Apple is forced to allow alternative stores [...] the iPhone is no longer the phone they wanted. I just re-read it and couldn't find the part where they said that. Do you have a direct citation from the parent, or are you just floating a guess to support your opinion?
  - tinus_hn 3y ago
    I read the comment as a generic statement about parents/old people, but as it refers to the parent comment it indeed makes little sense

cmcaleer 3y ago

The Pixel 5's security update end of life is in two weeks[0]. This is a phone that launched October 2020. My iPhone XS which I bought in 2018 just got the iOS 17 update and it's working pretty well. I want to be able to load whatever I want on my phone, but I also don't want to have to buy a new phone every couple years (or sooner! Looks like the 5a is still in production with security updates ending in 11 months) to get Android updates, or even security updates. [0]: https://endoflife.date/pixel https://endoflife.date/pixel

jkaplowitz 3y ago
The rumors are that the Pixel 8 and Pixel 8 Pro will launch with a promise of 7 years of updates, including not only security fixes and bug fixes but also feature drops. We’ll see what’s announces next month, but Google might be about to jump ahead of even the iPhone on this point. Disclosure: although I have worked for Google in the past, I haven’t worked for them in more than 8 years, never worked on Android or Pixel beyond internally testing pre-release Android OS versions, have never had anything to do with setting their lifecycle policies, have no inside information on these rumors, and am not speaking for Google here.
- rnk 3y ago
  I think a challenge of pixels and android in general is they don't seem to care about how well older hardware works with new os releases (or even some updates). I have an iphone se and it seems to work just fine after installing multiple os releases. Pixel type phones seem to struggle after a few os releases, as well as android in general. I should say I usually end up buying one generation behind cur on pixel. So on top of google's short timeframe to allow 'next os release' support, apple does a better job on keeping older gen phones working well across multiple os releases.
  - jkaplowitz 3y ago
    This is one of the first generations of Pixel phones, maybe the first, where Google has had sufficient top-to-bottom vertical control over everything from the CPU on up to plausibly make this kind of promise. Apple got there before Google did, but Google may have finally arrived there. Again, I have no inside info on this despite having worked for Google many years ago. We'll see what the announcement is on October 4.

stale2002 3y ago

There will be! After the law goes into effect it will be the iPhone. Feel free to not install internet browsers that you don't like though.

HWR_14 3y ago
Google search, Youtube and many other properties will only work with Chromium as soon as it doesn't mean saying goodbye to iOS users.
- kibwen 3y ago
  The mindset here is so alien to me. Do people think that the EU is willing to take action against Apple, and yet somehow unwilling to take action against Google?
  - HWR_14 3y ago
    It's currently happening. Try using YouTube or Google Search on the desktop with, for example, MS Edge. Google will tell you you should download Chrome to work better. The only reason that's not the case on iOS devices is that they don't have that option.
    - kibwen 3y ago
      You have dodged the question. You think that the EU won't take action against Google?
      - labcomputer 3y ago
        Yes. A better question is why haven’t they taken action yet?
      - HWR_14 3y ago
        I'm not dodging the question. It is happening now and the EU is not taking action.
      - 3y ago

HDThoreaun 3y ago

Which phone has iMessage and a non apple app store?

lostgame 3y ago

Yeah, I need a phone that can run Apple's GarageBand, (easily my most-used app; hundreds and hundreds of hours, and as I use Logic to create music at home and have for 15+ years, I can open up these iPhone-created files at home, establishing a workflow Ableton, for instance, has completely failed to replicate) - ideally uses iMessage so I can more easily communicate with my romantic partners who both use it; and can run a browser of my choice. I'd also like it to work with my Apple Watch. Any non-iPhone recommendations?

tinus_hn 3y ago
Let’s hope Apple never discontinues GarageBand lest your world collapses