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Apple exec Eddy Cue set to testify in Google trial about $19B search deal
- NetBeck 3y agoDuring initial setup, allowing product owners to choose what browser they want, whether its Safari, Chrome, or Firefox, with their respective browser engines, would be nice.
- jdelman 3y agoI think this is more about search engine than browser choice.
- bushbaba 3y agoI don’t want a complicated setup. I appreciate apples simple new phone onboarding process and their opinionated ecosystem.
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- batiudrami 3y agoThere’s already about 15 pages of nonsense when you set up a phone, I don’t think one tap to choose your browser is going to change much.
- scandox 3y ago[flagged]
- wddkcs 3y agoPuns are linguistic viruses of course they're negatively received
- AlbertCory 3y agoThey are not viruses, and the only people who hate all of them are uneducated. https://nosweatshakespeare.com/blog/shakespeare-puns/ https://nosweatshakespeare.com/blog/shakespeare-puns/ https://www.tandfonline.com/keyword/puns https://www.tandfonline.com/keyword/puns
- wddkcs 3y agoThey are- puns are contentless parasites that only replicate memetically. I never said they were hated by all, and my statement was in the context of a HN thread- obvious why such content is useless, even to the op themselves
- AlbertCory 3y agopeople find them funny. Otherwise they wouldn't replicate. If you think humor is useless, you lead a sad existence.
- retskrad 3y agoI just read that Google has paid 120B for the last decade to be the default search engine on Apple devices. If Apple changes the default to Bing then people will just change it back to Google in the settings. What’s the thinking behind giving Apple a ton of free money so they can have more resources for marketing and R&D and become even stronger competition for Android? iPhone is gaining more and more market share every year. Seems like Google wants to save their search business by sacrificing Android.
- __blockcipher__ 3y agoI suspect that they know that the average user won't actually change it back. Just like how, IIRC, Apple Maps is (or at least was as a few years ago) the most commonly used mapping software purely due to the reach of iphone's userbase
- lotsofpulp 3y agoI prefer the lack of advertisements in Apple Maps.
- valianteffort 3y agoThat's nice but I hate everything besides the maps. I don't want to click on a photo and be redirected to the app store to download yelp. I don't want curated lists, or city guides. And there is no way to hide this trash. It's cluttering the only thing I care about, the maps!
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- falsenapkin 3y agoApple Maps is actually competitive with Google Maps and has walled garden integrations so it's not really comparable to me as Google Search versus Bing/DDG/whatever. Not to say the other search options are so terrible people would definitely switch, more that's definitely not the case with maps.
- jsnell 3y ago> Cue will also say that Apple has revenue-sharing agreements with competing search engines Yahoo, Microsoft Bing, DuckDuckGo and Ecosia Wait, what? These search engines are being forced by Apple into revshare deals just for being on the platform without even being the default?
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- madeofpalk 3y agoI would guess no, they're not being forced into a revshare deal. They asked (or were offered) to be listed as an option, and they agreed to a revshare deal. I presume they could just say "no".
- yunohn 3y agoIf you must agree to a revenue share deal, in order to be considered an alternative search engine by Apple - I would consider that forceful.
- beambot 3y agoHow many nascent search engines do you reckon exist? Can my personal search engine be listed as an option?
- smoldesu 3y agoIf your personal search engine supports the same url schema as Google/Bing/DDG, I see no reason why not: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=user+query+here&ia=web https://www.bing.com/search?q=user+query+here https://www.google.com/search?q=user+query+here It's all generic enough to standardize, Apple could easily support a custom URL option like so.
- jsnell 3y agoYes, choosing who gets to be on that list is a problem that software other than iOS has as well. Are those lists typically pay to play? Does e.g. Microsoft pay for having Bing listed as an option in Chrome? I remember when Android switched (in the EU) from having Google be the default search to having the users pick from a list during device setup. They initially proposed determining who gets to be on the list via an auction. Companies like Duck Duck Go were outraged, and demanded to be listed for free, and eventually Android went with listing the most popular search engines in each country. Now it turns out that they've been paying Apple all this time, and not said a word. I guess it makes sense. Duck Duck Go cannot afford to speak against Apple for fear of retaliation, while Google is a punching bag they can hit for free PR any time they feel like it.
- jeffbee 3y agoApple sells their users' eyeballs for $10/year and Google is the one on trial.
- yunohn 3y ago100% both Apple and Google should be on trial. Both the bribe giver and receiver are at fault. Especially when the latter makes a huge hullabaloo around user privacy that the former does not support.
- dartos 3y agoPeople give their eyeballs to Apple tbf. I’m doing it rn. Jokes aside, yeah they should both be in trouble, but if that was the case then Apple wouldn’t be testifying against google. I like the few times where the government gives companies reasons to fight each other rather than work together.
- barryrandall 3y agoBut we're not giving them away for free. We're paying Apple to take our eyeballs.
- nojito 3y agoNot really. Searches through safari are stripped of identifiers. Now if you’re logged into google that’s a different story.
- yunohn 3y agoThey should provide data on % of users who have changed the default search engine, and the ratio of searches via Google vs the others. Plus, the option only applies to Safari - not Spotlight or Siri, which are presumably used more often. It sounds to me like this revenue share agreement was invented specifically to make this equal-opportunity argument to save their Google revenue.
- tantalor 3y agoWhat decision would that data help you make?
- ranting-moth 3y agoWhat decision would knowing that help you to make?
- yunohn 3y agoIt would backup Apple’s claims of fairness with real data.
- mdale 3y agoApple tried to run a similar game with Facebook to get a cut of revenue from all ads that ran on Facebook. [1] Apple probably would have slow rolled web cohort privacy more like what Google is doing in Chrome if FB would have paid to play. That did not work out and FB paid far more in market cap and loss in rev then if they would have just kissed the ring. So all told it's odd that Google is on trial for playing in Apple device Monopoly. Maybe Google would do best to point to the deviation of FB business for not playing ball with Apple; showing their hands were tied ;) [1] https://www.wsj.com/articles/inside-the-apple-vs-facebook-privacy-fight-11660317376 https://www.wsj.com/articles/inside-the-apple-vs-facebook-pr...
- hedora 3y agoApple's not on trial here. They're also on trial for the sorts of things you mentioned, as is FB. It'll be interesting to see if the courts actually enforce the law, or if these cases get decided on political influence instead. Previous testimony in this case is pretty damning for Google, since it implies their ad business is built on multiple levels of fraud. That ought to be enough to get them to lose the case. Time will tell. Happily, it's possible for all three of those players to be found guilty. It's not an either/or situation.
- anankaie 3y ago> Previous testimony in this case is pretty damning for Google, since it implies their ad business is built on multiple levels of fraud. I have not been following this as closely as I should have. Is there a specific source of that testimony that I can search for?
- josephd79 3y agoWhat fraud has been committed? I didn't see that in the article. It's been known for a very long time that Google paid Apple to be the default search engine. Long before this trial.
- ethbr1 3y agoThe fascinating thing to me is all this revenue is essentially a direct consequence of market share. How much Google pays to Apple is directly proportional to how much Google needs to be on Apple devices to maintain search hegemony. Apple is being paid for being popular. The economics of maintaining a search monopoly are weird.
- plussed_reader 3y ago"Read about it on LexusNexus, ya plebes." -Google on corporate privacy and the 4th estate.
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- diebeforei485 3y agoGood. Everything's gonna come out.
- xtat 3y agoSV will protect SV - bigtechs are frenemies
- seatac76 3y ago$19B to not build a competing search engine, this is essentially a pay off. I don’t see how the courts don’t atleast put an end to this. Apple is free to make a search engine which Spotlight essentially already is.
- bastawhiz 3y agoCalling Spotlight a "search engine" is like calling a Hotwheelz car "a race car". Like, yeah, it can search for stuff, but the scale of what 99.99% of people expect a "search engine" to do is many, many orders of magnitude larger than what Spotlight does. Hell, Spotlight struggles to find a file by name on my laptop in under a few seconds.