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I never believed this for a moment, and I think the accusation was so disingenuous and in poor taste that it borders on obnoxiousness. Carlsen has an ego probl

I never believed this for a moment, and I think the accusation was so disingenuous and in poor taste that it borders on obnoxiousness. Carlsen has an ego problem. To be fair, Neimann has been accused of cheating when he was a teenager, but based on the world champions behavior I'm willing to give Neimann the benefit of the doubt. Magnus got beat and he couldn't handle it.

justrealist 3y ago
Neimann openly admitted to cheating on chess.com matches (and chess.com released a lot of evidence to the same end). It's not a boogieman.
- chippy 3y ago
  It gets complicated as Carlson has large monetary investment in chess.com https://www.chess.com/news/view/chesscom-acquires-pmg https://www.chess.com/news/view/chesscom-acquires-pmg It's not some independent platform or non profit. It muddys the water at least.
  - justrealist 3y ago
    > Niemann has admitted to cheating in online chess matches when he was 12 and 16 years old but has denied ever doing so in during tournaments involving prize money. Nobody made him say this! How is chess.com's ownership related? https://www.reuters.com/legal/carlsen-chesscom-make-opening-moves-niemann-cheating-claims-lawsuit-2022-12-02/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/carlsen-chesscom-make-opening-...
  - meepmorp 3y ago
    > It gets complicated as Carlson has large monetary investment in chess.com How does that complicate the fact that Niemann admitted cheating on games he played on chess.com?
- kelipso 3y ago
  I'm willing to be there are a lot of other GMs who has cheated on chess.com but their identities haven't been revealed by chess.com because they weren't accused by Carlsen, a partial owner of chess.com.
whatamidoingyo 3y ago
> I think the accusation was so disingenuous and in poor taste It was literally a joke from Eric Hansen (Chessbrah). The media: "hey, anal beads, that's good. Let's run with it."
- LeifCarrotson 3y ago
  Wasn't it originally from a random chatter in Eric's Twitch stream, not GM Hansen himself?
  - whatamidoingyo 3y ago
    Perhaps. I don't quite remember fully, but I was indeed watching that stream.
robertlagrant 3y ago
> Magnus got beat and he couldn't handle it. I've repeatedly seen Carlsen delighted when someone beats him. > To be fair, Neimann has been accused of cheating when he was a teenager Niemann has admitted to cheating when he was a teenager. And this wasn't in the distant mists of time, as this sort of phrasing implies. Niemann was still a teenager when Carlsen's accusation occurred. Now, I think it's likely he's cheated more than he's admitted to, but I don't know that it's likely that he's ever cheated OTB.
- kelipso 3y ago
  The game Carlsen lost against Niemann was very different though. Basically Carlsen lost while playing in Carlsen's style of chess, which a a very different type of loss than some blunder loss or opening loss.

justrealist 3y ago

Neimann openly admitted to cheating on chess.com matches (and chess.com released a lot of evidence to the same end). It's not a boogieman.

chippy 3y ago
It gets complicated as Carlson has large monetary investment in chess.com https://www.chess.com/news/view/chesscom-acquires-pmg https://www.chess.com/news/view/chesscom-acquires-pmg It's not some independent platform or non profit. It muddys the water at least.
- justrealist 3y ago
  > Niemann has admitted to cheating in online chess matches when he was 12 and 16 years old but has denied ever doing so in during tournaments involving prize money. Nobody made him say this! How is chess.com's ownership related? https://www.reuters.com/legal/carlsen-chesscom-make-opening-moves-niemann-cheating-claims-lawsuit-2022-12-02/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/carlsen-chesscom-make-opening-...
- meepmorp 3y ago
  > It gets complicated as Carlson has large monetary investment in chess.com How does that complicate the fact that Niemann admitted cheating on games he played on chess.com?
kelipso 3y ago
I'm willing to be there are a lot of other GMs who has cheated on chess.com but their identities haven't been revealed by chess.com because they weren't accused by Carlsen, a partial owner of chess.com.

whatamidoingyo 3y ago

> I think the accusation was so disingenuous and in poor taste It was literally a joke from Eric Hansen (Chessbrah). The media: "hey, anal beads, that's good. Let's run with it."

LeifCarrotson 3y ago
Wasn't it originally from a random chatter in Eric's Twitch stream, not GM Hansen himself?
- whatamidoingyo 3y ago
  Perhaps. I don't quite remember fully, but I was indeed watching that stream.

robertlagrant 3y ago

> Magnus got beat and he couldn't handle it. I've repeatedly seen Carlsen delighted when someone beats him. > To be fair, Neimann has been accused of cheating when he was a teenager Niemann has admitted to cheating when he was a teenager. And this wasn't in the distant mists of time, as this sort of phrasing implies. Niemann was still a teenager when Carlsen's accusation occurred. Now, I think it's likely he's cheated more than he's admitted to, but I don't know that it's likely that he's ever cheated OTB.

kelipso 3y ago
The game Carlsen lost against Niemann was very different though. Basically Carlsen lost while playing in Carlsen's style of chess, which a a very different type of loss than some blunder loss or opening loss.