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Context: prime minister revealed that he had been spied upon, also defense minister and others. A few days later he published a letter to the king of Morocco re

by narag 3y ago

Context: prime minister revealed that he had been spied upon, also defense minister and others. A few days later he published a letter to the king of Morocco reversing decades of Spain's position on Western Sahara. That's a competence of the parliament, not his, but that doesn's seem to matter. A common belief is that he's being blackmailed. Oh and Morocco is now in very good relations with Israel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Morocco_relations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Morocco_relatio...

ihaveajob 3y ago
Precisely this. Other commenters are pointing out that the Spanish government doesn't want to lose the option to investigate secessionist leaders, but given the current good relationships between the socialist party and Puigdemont's, that makes no sense. More likely they're trying to gloss over the obvious blackmailing incident at the first opportunity to blame someone else for the lack of success of any investigation.
tgv 3y ago
Is there any kind of evidence? Or is it a "popular" idea?
- miohtama 3y ago
  It's always Citizen Lab of University of Toronto who blows the whistle https://left.eu/pegasus-inquiry-delegation-from-the-left-in-spain-to-gather-evidence/ https://left.eu/pegasus-inquiry-delegation-from-the-left-in-...
  - the_gipsy 3y ago
    While that is Pegasus and involves Spanish government, it's not related. The incident in that article would be the previous government (now opposition) spying on Catalan independence parties.
jiofj 3y ago
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- sim7c00 3y ago
  You know nothing of how to read nor Morocco if you think this. The article you sent spells it out: "The official investigation by the Spanish judiciary found that the attacks were directed by al-Qaeda,[5][6] allegedly as a reaction to Spain's involvement in the 2003 US-led invasion of Iraq". Morocco != Al-Qaeda. If you really think that, go travel the world and get enlightened a bit about it rather than sitting in your house with a tinfoil hat trying to relate a beautiful country to a terrorist organization without providing any proof. (or even providing an article which refutes your own claim.)
  - jiofj 3y ago
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    - arijun 3y ago
      > There are many books… You should list some, since right now the only source of information I have on the subject (the wiki article you posted) has your theory listed under “Conspiracy Theories”
    - ghostDancer 3y ago
      There was a conspiracy group that defended that was Morocco Secret Services, they even said with help of ETA (Basque terrorist group), and more fantastic ideas. It's a loony conspiracy idea that it was sold by the extreme right media and by an informal group called "Peones negros", supported by some media, think Fox group but the Spanish counterpart, and it was dismissed because it was just that a conspiracy theory for people that believe in the Illuminati, the dark council that rules the world in the shadows, and all that stupid and loony conspiracy theories. And I'm no friend of Morocco dictatorship but that was just stupid.
    - sim7c00 3y ago
      what points to morocco being the culprit? Alex Jones maybe? :'). people dont need to prove innocence. they need to prove guilt. so where is your hard evidence. do science, not baseless statements. I have visited morocco many times and am intimately familiar with both urban and rural morrocans. they are afraid of and highly protective against extremism in any form and are peace loving people. that is my personal experience.
ghostDancer 3y ago
The other option that was rapidly silenced was that the blackmail was to the Spanish royal Family.
hospitalJail 3y ago
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the_gipsy 3y ago
The simple explanation is that it improves the relation with USA, Israel, and Morocco. Killing 3 birds with one stone, especially since Morocco has been pressuring by facilitating irregular immigration waves just prior. The move would have been hailed as Expert Global Politics if done by the opposition itself. Instead we got a shallow conspiracy theory of "blackmail" that's not even entertaining because nobody can provide any substance whatsoever.

by narag 3y ago

ihaveajob 3y ago

Precisely this. Other commenters are pointing out that the Spanish government doesn't want to lose the option to investigate secessionist leaders, but given the current good relationships between the socialist party and Puigdemont's, that makes no sense. More likely they're trying to gloss over the obvious blackmailing incident at the first opportunity to blame someone else for the lack of success of any investigation.

tgv 3y ago

Is there any kind of evidence? Or is it a "popular" idea?

miohtama 3y ago
It's always Citizen Lab of University of Toronto who blows the whistle https://left.eu/pegasus-inquiry-delegation-from-the-left-in-spain-to-gather-evidence/ https://left.eu/pegasus-inquiry-delegation-from-the-left-in-...
- the_gipsy 3y ago
  While that is Pegasus and involves Spanish government, it's not related. The incident in that article would be the previous government (now opposition) spying on Catalan independence parties.

jiofj 3y ago

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sim7c00 3y ago
You know nothing of how to read nor Morocco if you think this. The article you sent spells it out: "The official investigation by the Spanish judiciary found that the attacks were directed by al-Qaeda,[5][6] allegedly as a reaction to Spain's involvement in the 2003 US-led invasion of Iraq". Morocco != Al-Qaeda. If you really think that, go travel the world and get enlightened a bit about it rather than sitting in your house with a tinfoil hat trying to relate a beautiful country to a terrorist organization without providing any proof. (or even providing an article which refutes your own claim.)
- jiofj 3y ago
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  - arijun 3y ago
    > There are many books… You should list some, since right now the only source of information I have on the subject (the wiki article you posted) has your theory listed under “Conspiracy Theories”
  - ghostDancer 3y ago
    There was a conspiracy group that defended that was Morocco Secret Services, they even said with help of ETA (Basque terrorist group), and more fantastic ideas. It's a loony conspiracy idea that it was sold by the extreme right media and by an informal group called "Peones negros", supported by some media, think Fox group but the Spanish counterpart, and it was dismissed because it was just that a conspiracy theory for people that believe in the Illuminati, the dark council that rules the world in the shadows, and all that stupid and loony conspiracy theories. And I'm no friend of Morocco dictatorship but that was just stupid.
  - sim7c00 3y ago
    what points to morocco being the culprit? Alex Jones maybe? :'). people dont need to prove innocence. they need to prove guilt. so where is your hard evidence. do science, not baseless statements. I have visited morocco many times and am intimately familiar with both urban and rural morrocans. they are afraid of and highly protective against extremism in any form and are peace loving people. that is my personal experience.

ghostDancer 3y ago

The other option that was rapidly silenced was that the blackmail was to the Spanish royal Family.

hospitalJail 3y ago

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the_gipsy 3y ago

The simple explanation is that it improves the relation with USA, Israel, and Morocco. Killing 3 birds with one stone, especially since Morocco has been pressuring by facilitating irregular immigration waves just prior. The move would have been hailed as Expert Global Politics if done by the opposition itself. Instead we got a shallow conspiracy theory of "blackmail" that's not even entertaining because nobody can provide any substance whatsoever.