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>They're beaming back home whatever they want This claim is always thrown out like a life preserver without ever anything to back it up. Do you have anything t

>They're beaming back home whatever they want This claim is always thrown out like a life preserver without ever anything to back it up. Do you have anything to support this claim?

foota 3y ago
They're cloud based, aren't they? So regardless of what they're doing with the data, it's true that they're (figuratively) beaming it back, although parent is admittedly implying more. I accept that chinese authorities generally have access to anything they want to in the country, so I would buy that they have access to drone data.
- hackernewds 3y ago
  with how they are executing tick tock and making a mockery out of the USDS system, I would not put this past them at all
- lm28469 3y ago
  > I accept that chinese authorities generally have access to anything they want to in the country So just like the US ?
  - localplume 3y ago
    nope. the US doesn't have the same military-civilian fusion that China has, given the latter is an authoritarian one party state.
- guax 3y ago
  They're not cloud based as far as I would define it. I have one and fly mostly on areas where there is no internet signal. The drone beams back video to your phone and unless you're syncing the cache videos with their cloud nothing its stored other than flight meta data. You can avoid even that by using a totally offline controller/phone.
  - foota 3y ago
    How does the drone communicate with the phone?
    - TheHappyOddish 3y ago
      Via the remote over RF.
kortilla 3y ago
Does the app function without an encrypted connection to DJI controlled servers? If so, then there is nothing else needed. People forget how sketchy closed source software is.
- trailbits 3y ago
  You can turn off all the phone radios or you can block all network traffic and the app still works fine. You only need a connection to get an unlock code in certain airspace.
rmbyrro 3y ago
Given the history of China and its tech companies, the burden of proof shifted to their shoulders. So, I turn to them: is there anything that proves its a surveillance-free device? No, they cannot assure that. Someone may not like it, but China now has a very, very bad reputation among people in the West. Especially after the last pandemic and how they handled it.
- palata 3y ago
  > So, I turn to them: is there anything that proves its a surveillance-free device? No, they cannot assure that. Can Google and Apple prove that their stuff is surveillance-free, though?
  - WitCanStain 3y ago
    No, because it isn't.
  - rmbyrro 3y ago
    No, but US reputation is way better than China's. In the absence of a surveillance-free device, people prefer the one with the better rep.
    - mardifoufs 3y ago
      >us reputation is way better Where? Maybe in the west, certainly not in the rest of the world. China didn't start a war that killed 1million people not even 20 years ago. Westerners don't care about that but that's to be expected.
      - rmbyrro 3y ago
        You are right, Chinese govt didn't kill only 1 million. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine The US military complex is beyond dirty and its grip on govt power makes everyone sick in the West and the East. But reducing the US to that and then doing a comparison with the Chinese government and ideology is unfair, in my opinion.
okdood64 3y ago
While I myself still wouldn't ever use DJI because of this reason, no can ever provide any concrete claim. Quite hilarious.
- corbezzoli 3y ago
  What concrete claim are you looking for? Is it not enough that Huawei was banned by the US? Do you know the reason why it was banned? The same reason could broadly apply to every Chinese company. TikTok is the software counterpart that isn’t allowed on any government phone. DJI does not produce infrastructure pieces so it hasn’t reached the same urgency to the US, so it’s still allowed.
  - hackernewds 3y ago
    at this point then NULL hypothesis should be that China is using consumer grades products to spy on its perceived enemies including the USA.
    - palata 3y ago
      Since Snowden it's pretty clear that the USA is spying on even its citizen. I don't see how it would be surprising that China does something similar.
  - palata 3y ago
    > Do you know the reason why it was banned? For the infrastructure, for legit strategic reasons (without even considering they are abusing it, you generally don't want to rely on foreign infrastructure on your territory). For the smartphones, that's pure commercial war. Huawei was a big competitor.
    - corbezzoli 3y ago
      > For the smartphones, that's pure commercial war. Huawei was a big competitor. Big competitor of what? There’s no popular Android phone OEM in the US. Sounds like you’re making stuff up.

>They're beaming back home whatever they want This claim is always thrown out like a life preserver without ever anything to back it up. Do you have anything to support this claim?

foota 3y ago

They're cloud based, aren't they? So regardless of what they're doing with the data, it's true that they're (figuratively) beaming it back, although parent is admittedly implying more. I accept that chinese authorities generally have access to anything they want to in the country, so I would buy that they have access to drone data.

hackernewds 3y ago
with how they are executing tick tock and making a mockery out of the USDS system, I would not put this past them at all
lm28469 3y ago
> I accept that chinese authorities generally have access to anything they want to in the country So just like the US ?
- localplume 3y ago
  nope. the US doesn't have the same military-civilian fusion that China has, given the latter is an authoritarian one party state.
guax 3y ago
They're not cloud based as far as I would define it. I have one and fly mostly on areas where there is no internet signal. The drone beams back video to your phone and unless you're syncing the cache videos with their cloud nothing its stored other than flight meta data. You can avoid even that by using a totally offline controller/phone.
- foota 3y ago
  How does the drone communicate with the phone?
  - TheHappyOddish 3y ago
    Via the remote over RF.

kortilla 3y ago

Does the app function without an encrypted connection to DJI controlled servers? If so, then there is nothing else needed. People forget how sketchy closed source software is.

trailbits 3y ago
You can turn off all the phone radios or you can block all network traffic and the app still works fine. You only need a connection to get an unlock code in certain airspace.

rmbyrro 3y ago

Given the history of China and its tech companies, the burden of proof shifted to their shoulders. So, I turn to them: is there anything that proves its a surveillance-free device? No, they cannot assure that. Someone may not like it, but China now has a very, very bad reputation among people in the West. Especially after the last pandemic and how they handled it.

palata 3y ago
> So, I turn to them: is there anything that proves its a surveillance-free device? No, they cannot assure that. Can Google and Apple prove that their stuff is surveillance-free, though?
- WitCanStain 3y ago
  No, because it isn't.
- rmbyrro 3y ago
  No, but US reputation is way better than China's. In the absence of a surveillance-free device, people prefer the one with the better rep.
  - mardifoufs 3y ago
    >us reputation is way better Where? Maybe in the west, certainly not in the rest of the world. China didn't start a war that killed 1million people not even 20 years ago. Westerners don't care about that but that's to be expected.
    - rmbyrro 3y ago
      You are right, Chinese govt didn't kill only 1 million. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine The US military complex is beyond dirty and its grip on govt power makes everyone sick in the West and the East. But reducing the US to that and then doing a comparison with the Chinese government and ideology is unfair, in my opinion.

okdood64 3y ago

While I myself still wouldn't ever use DJI because of this reason, no can ever provide any concrete claim. Quite hilarious.

corbezzoli 3y ago
What concrete claim are you looking for? Is it not enough that Huawei was banned by the US? Do you know the reason why it was banned? The same reason could broadly apply to every Chinese company. TikTok is the software counterpart that isn’t allowed on any government phone. DJI does not produce infrastructure pieces so it hasn’t reached the same urgency to the US, so it’s still allowed.
- hackernewds 3y ago
  at this point then NULL hypothesis should be that China is using consumer grades products to spy on its perceived enemies including the USA.
  - palata 3y ago
    Since Snowden it's pretty clear that the USA is spying on even its citizen. I don't see how it would be surprising that China does something similar.
- palata 3y ago
  > Do you know the reason why it was banned? For the infrastructure, for legit strategic reasons (without even considering they are abusing it, you generally don't want to rely on foreign infrastructure on your territory). For the smartphones, that's pure commercial war. Huawei was a big competitor.
  - corbezzoli 3y ago
    > For the smartphones, that's pure commercial war. Huawei was a big competitor. Big competitor of what? There’s no popular Android phone OEM in the US. Sounds like you’re making stuff up.