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Why is this so important if it has vertical takeoff?

by nonethewiser 3y ago

giobox 3y ago
Only the F-35"B" variant has this, if I remember correctly. The F-35A doesn't.
- HideousKojima 3y ago
  A is normal takeoff/landing B is vertical takeoff/landing C is carrier takeoff/landing
  - mlindner 3y ago
    Specifically C is for takeoff/landing on CATOBAR (Catapult-assisted take-off barrier-arrested recovery) carriers. All nations other than the US buy the B variant for their carrier forces as they don't have catapult carriers (or can't/aren't interested in the F-35).
    - lloeki 3y ago
      > All nations other than the US buy the B variant for their carrier forces as they don't have catapult carriers (or can't/aren't interested in the F-35). France has CATOBAR on Charles de Gaulle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_aircraft_carrier_Charles_de_Gaulle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_aircraft_carrier_Charle... While they won't buy F35 this can matter for joint operations. > As of July 2021, Charles de Gaulle was the only non-American carrier-vessel that had a catapult launch system, which has allowed for operation of F/A-18E/F Super Hornets and C-2 Greyhounds of the United States Navy. Similarly Rafale M (for "Marine" a.k.a French navy) is CATOBAR and cleared for U.S. carriers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Rafale#Variants https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Rafale#Variants > Similar to Rafale C, but with modifications to allow operations from CATOBAR - equipped aircraft carriers. For carrier operations, the M model has a strengthened airframe, longer nose gear leg to provide a more nose-up attitude, larger tailhook between the engines, and a built-in boarding ladder. Consequently, the Rafale M weighs about 500 kg (1,100 lb) more than the Rafale C. It is the only non-US fighter type cleared to operate from the decks of US carriers, using catapults and their arresting gear, as demonstrated in 2008 when six Rafales from Flottille 12F integrated into the USS Theodore Roosevelt Carrier Air Wing interoperability exercise.
Telemakhos 3y ago
F-35B is the VTOL variant.
riku_iki 3y ago
this version doesn't have vertical take off. Also, in my understanding, B variant doesn't have vertical take off too, it has short take off and vertical landing. It can do vertical take off, but burns too much fuel that way for any useful mission.
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thejteam 3y ago
The A variant of the F35 doesn’t have vertical takeoff.
nand4011 3y ago
In addition to what the others have said, the F-35B is more properly a STOVL aircraft: Short Take Off, Vertical Landing. It can't take off vertically with a useful combat load.
TulliusCicero 3y ago
Even the F-35B doesn't actually do vertical takeoff in practice (though it's capable of doing so IIRC), it does vertical landing and short take-off. Going straight up uses a LOT of fuel.
- dharmab 3y ago
  It can do vertical takeoff for demonstration or very short ferries but cannot carry a combat loadout.
- SkyPuncher 3y ago
  You also have a lot more weight at takeoff (fuel and weapons)
- t0mas88 3y ago
  Also going straight up is a much higher risk operation than having some forward speed. The timeframe to eject in case of a problem is very very short when you're "hovering" while with forward speed the jet has much more stability buying you time. Helicopters also tend to take off with forward speed if conditions permit. Not because of ejection options (they don't have them), but because of energy available and options in case of an engine failure. Forward speed is "energy in the bank" which you can use if (one of) your engine(s) quits.

Why is this so important if it has vertical takeoff?

giobox 3y ago

Only the F-35"B" variant has this, if I remember correctly. The F-35A doesn't.

HideousKojima 3y ago
A is normal takeoff/landing B is vertical takeoff/landing C is carrier takeoff/landing
- mlindner 3y ago
  Specifically C is for takeoff/landing on CATOBAR (Catapult-assisted take-off barrier-arrested recovery) carriers. All nations other than the US buy the B variant for their carrier forces as they don't have catapult carriers (or can't/aren't interested in the F-35).
  - lloeki 3y ago
    > All nations other than the US buy the B variant for their carrier forces as they don't have catapult carriers (or can't/aren't interested in the F-35). France has CATOBAR on Charles de Gaulle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_aircraft_carrier_Charles_de_Gaulle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_aircraft_carrier_Charle... While they won't buy F35 this can matter for joint operations. > As of July 2021, Charles de Gaulle was the only non-American carrier-vessel that had a catapult launch system, which has allowed for operation of F/A-18E/F Super Hornets and C-2 Greyhounds of the United States Navy. Similarly Rafale M (for "Marine" a.k.a French navy) is CATOBAR and cleared for U.S. carriers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Rafale#Variants https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Rafale#Variants > Similar to Rafale C, but with modifications to allow operations from CATOBAR - equipped aircraft carriers. For carrier operations, the M model has a strengthened airframe, longer nose gear leg to provide a more nose-up attitude, larger tailhook between the engines, and a built-in boarding ladder. Consequently, the Rafale M weighs about 500 kg (1,100 lb) more than the Rafale C. It is the only non-US fighter type cleared to operate from the decks of US carriers, using catapults and their arresting gear, as demonstrated in 2008 when six Rafales from Flottille 12F integrated into the USS Theodore Roosevelt Carrier Air Wing interoperability exercise.

Telemakhos 3y ago

F-35B is the VTOL variant.

riku_iki 3y ago

this version doesn't have vertical take off. Also, in my understanding, B variant doesn't have vertical take off too, it has short take off and vertical landing. It can do vertical take off, but burns too much fuel that way for any useful mission.

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thejteam 3y ago

The A variant of the F35 doesn’t have vertical takeoff.

nand4011 3y ago

In addition to what the others have said, the F-35B is more properly a STOVL aircraft: Short Take Off, Vertical Landing. It can't take off vertically with a useful combat load.

TulliusCicero 3y ago

Even the F-35B doesn't actually do vertical takeoff in practice (though it's capable of doing so IIRC), it does vertical landing and short take-off. Going straight up uses a LOT of fuel.

dharmab 3y ago
It can do vertical takeoff for demonstration or very short ferries but cannot carry a combat loadout.
SkyPuncher 3y ago
You also have a lot more weight at takeoff (fuel and weapons)
t0mas88 3y ago
Also going straight up is a much higher risk operation than having some forward speed. The timeframe to eject in case of a problem is very very short when you're "hovering" while with forward speed the jet has much more stability buying you time. Helicopters also tend to take off with forward speed if conditions permit. Not because of ejection options (they don't have them), but because of energy available and options in case of an engine failure. Forward speed is "energy in the bank" which you can use if (one of) your engine(s) quits.