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It's still a device wedded to an OS that wants your data shipped off to a company that knows how to use it against you vs a device iOS put out by a company that

It's still a device wedded to an OS that wants your data shipped off to a company that knows how to use it against you vs a device iOS put out by a company that seems so wildly inept in this space that they just went whole-hog on privacy, at least publicly.

thefz 3y ago
> It's still a device wedded to an OS that wants your data shipped off to a company that knows how to use it against you vs a device iOS put out by a company that seems so wildly inept in this space that they just went whole-hog on privacy, at least publicly. Apple still sells your user data to advertisers, they just want to be the only one to do so, for profit.
- kaba0 3y ago
  Apple displays a goddamn relevant result in the AppStore, while Google actively makes use of every single movement you make — it is just a completely dishonest comparison and has no basis in reality. This is the non-political version of EnLIGhteNEd centrism.
  - thefz 3y ago
    Still, making billions with your data and a failed promise of privacy. https://proton.me/blog/apple-ad-company https://proton.me/blog/apple-ad-company They are no better than anyone else, they just convinced you so.
    - kaba0 3y ago
      They make more money with much much more primitive “targeting” because they are sitting on top their own platform with no competition. If someone wants to display their ad on the Apple platform, they pay apple. I don’t mind being targeted by searching for “mobile game” in the app store and it displays a mobile game ad, and maybe even used up that I’m a male in his 20s. That just can’t be compared in good faith to what google or facebook does.
  - tredre3 3y ago
    I thought it was just me! Search on the Google Play store is just useless. It shows you 1-2 relevant results if you're lucky, then a few pages of ads, followed by completely unrelated results. When I know full well that what I'm searching is there (and indeed it shows up in Aurora Store or even google search no problem).
    - Xeamek 3y ago
      If you can't find the app you searched for directly, it usually means that play store deemed your phone incompatible (for whatever reason) and hide the result, nothing to do with the search quality
    - MBCook 3y ago
      If you don’t the name of the app you want, the iOS App Store search is garbage too.
      - brewdad 3y ago
        Not true in my experience. If I search for a topic rather than an app name, Apple gives me relevant results all the way down and generally of decent quality. Google starts showing me fake flashlight apps by the fifth result or so.
tredre3 3y ago
> your data shipped off to a company that knows how to use it against you OK I hate Google as much as the next guy but that's just ridiculous. In what way does Google use your data against you? How would that be profitable? I guess you might consider targeted ads as being assault against you?
- digging 3y ago
  > I guess you might consider targeted ads as being assault against you? I'm not OP, but yeah I kind of do. See also: police and government agencies buying personal data, which they Totally Only Use For Good Guy Stuff I Promise.
  - readams 3y ago
    Did you know that Apple also uses your data to target ads to you?
    - digging 3y ago
      ...Yes?
- GeekyBear 3y ago
  > In what way does Google use your data against you? Ever been in the vicinity of a crime being committed by someone else? > Google has received thousands of geofence warrants each quarter since 2018, and at times accounted for about one-quarter of all U.S. warrants that Google receives. https://techcrunch.com/2021/08/19/google-geofence-warrants/ https://techcrunch.com/2021/08/19/google-geofence-warrants/ Like this guy, for instance. > Based on faulty location data from Google, Avondale police arrested an innocent 23-year-old man and accused him of a crime punishable by death. https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/google-geofence-location-data-avondale-wrongful-arrest-molina-gaeta-11426374 https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/google-geofence-locatio...
livueta 3y ago
I can de-Google a Pixel way past the extent I can de-Apple an iPhone. e: downvoters, any counterpoint? Please show me where Graphene is leaking info, or, conversely, how to obtain code-signing privs equivalent to Apple keys on iOS.

thefz 3y ago

> It's still a device wedded to an OS that wants your data shipped off to a company that knows how to use it against you vs a device iOS put out by a company that seems so wildly inept in this space that they just went whole-hog on privacy, at least publicly. Apple still sells your user data to advertisers, they just want to be the only one to do so, for profit.

kaba0 3y ago
Apple displays a goddamn relevant result in the AppStore, while Google actively makes use of every single movement you make — it is just a completely dishonest comparison and has no basis in reality. This is the non-political version of EnLIGhteNEd centrism.
- thefz 3y ago
  Still, making billions with your data and a failed promise of privacy. https://proton.me/blog/apple-ad-company https://proton.me/blog/apple-ad-company They are no better than anyone else, they just convinced you so.
  - kaba0 3y ago
    They make more money with much much more primitive “targeting” because they are sitting on top their own platform with no competition. If someone wants to display their ad on the Apple platform, they pay apple. I don’t mind being targeted by searching for “mobile game” in the app store and it displays a mobile game ad, and maybe even used up that I’m a male in his 20s. That just can’t be compared in good faith to what google or facebook does.
- tredre3 3y ago
  I thought it was just me! Search on the Google Play store is just useless. It shows you 1-2 relevant results if you're lucky, then a few pages of ads, followed by completely unrelated results. When I know full well that what I'm searching is there (and indeed it shows up in Aurora Store or even google search no problem).
  - Xeamek 3y ago
    If you can't find the app you searched for directly, it usually means that play store deemed your phone incompatible (for whatever reason) and hide the result, nothing to do with the search quality
  - MBCook 3y ago
    If you don’t the name of the app you want, the iOS App Store search is garbage too.
    - brewdad 3y ago
      Not true in my experience. If I search for a topic rather than an app name, Apple gives me relevant results all the way down and generally of decent quality. Google starts showing me fake flashlight apps by the fifth result or so.

tredre3 3y ago

> your data shipped off to a company that knows how to use it against you OK I hate Google as much as the next guy but that's just ridiculous. In what way does Google use your data against you? How would that be profitable? I guess you might consider targeted ads as being assault against you?

digging 3y ago
> I guess you might consider targeted ads as being assault against you? I'm not OP, but yeah I kind of do. See also: police and government agencies buying personal data, which they Totally Only Use For Good Guy Stuff I Promise.
- readams 3y ago
  Did you know that Apple also uses your data to target ads to you?
  - digging 3y ago
    ...Yes?
GeekyBear 3y ago
> In what way does Google use your data against you? Ever been in the vicinity of a crime being committed by someone else? > Google has received thousands of geofence warrants each quarter since 2018, and at times accounted for about one-quarter of all U.S. warrants that Google receives. https://techcrunch.com/2021/08/19/google-geofence-warrants/ https://techcrunch.com/2021/08/19/google-geofence-warrants/ Like this guy, for instance. > Based on faulty location data from Google, Avondale police arrested an innocent 23-year-old man and accused him of a crime punishable by death. https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/google-geofence-location-data-avondale-wrongful-arrest-molina-gaeta-11426374 https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/google-geofence-locatio...

livueta 3y ago

I can de-Google a Pixel way past the extent I can de-Apple an iPhone. e: downvoters, any counterpoint? Please show me where Graphene is leaking info, or, conversely, how to obtain code-signing privs equivalent to Apple keys on iOS.