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What is kind of bizarre is that big-tech companies recruit largely based on their brand image, not purely on high-pay. They receive so many applications per mon
by bane 3y ago
What is kind of bizarre is that big-tech companies recruit largely based on their brand image, not purely on high-pay. They receive so many applications per month that even if they just lowballed incoming college-grads, the ones that choose to take the job rather than go to a competitor would still be perfectly fine. Deal with the rest through normal attrition and in a few years you solve your wage/RSU problem. This is how smaller and less famous companies do it.
Yet why risk having to stir up some kind of illegal price fixing or collusion nonsense as a hedge fund manager? My guess is that the paradox is solved if you consider the saved cost of compensation vs the cost of litigation.
Proof point: Microsoft, Apple, and Amazon doesn't pay nearly as much as Google or Facebook in terms of total comp, yet they have no problem finding employees.
- sitkack 3y ago> yet they have no problem finding employees. Citation needed. I know Google has a problem finding people fast enough.
- tivert 3y ago> Citation needed. I know Google has a problem finding people fast enough. Could that be Google's cultural problem? I have not real knowledge or understanding of this, but I was under the vague impression Google is unusually picky and elitist about who it hires (e.g. they want advanced degrees, an elite school background, or a FAANG background, and will turn up their nose at most normal folks).
- kuchenbecker 3y agoCaveat: hopefully my experience was a fluke and if I was to repeat it I would get a different outcome. I wouldn't want to judge them based on a single experience. My last round of interviews they down leveled me, yet I had a lateral offer from Waymo, and other companies upleveled me. I was interviewing for a specific role, but my interviewers were from areas around the company that gave interview questions relevant to their area but not the area I was interviewing for, and was well outside my expertise. I objectively didn't do as well as other interviews. Waymo, on the other hand stuck to my strengths in the interview process and was genuinely engaged with me finding a role there that Met my skills (I very regretfully turned the role down).
- kridsdale3 3y agoThey also tried to down-level me. I said no (here is a competing offer). They said we'll get back to you. 2 weeks later, a good offer.
- sitkack 3y agoI believe Google actively, aggressively tries to downlevel people so that I can pay them less. And then move promo cycle to be as long as possible, also to suppress wages
- claytongulick 3y agoThat wasn't my experience. I'm a self educated (white male, if that matters) and was actively recruited by Google for a TPM position multiple times. Honestly, the only reason I'm not working there today is because I wasn't willing to relocate to NYC, and they (strangely) aren't very remote friendly.
- kevingadd 3y agoGoogle is very picky about who they hire depending on which org you're being hired for, since you need to basically win a bunch of dice rolls to get interviewers who 1) understand what you're being interviewed for (are you a linux kernel programmer? better hope they don't assign you an Android Java Frontend guy) 2) are good at interviewing (this is a difficult skill!) and 3) don't dislike you for any particular reason
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- PaulHoule 3y agoThat's because Google doesn't use workers efficiently. They hire very smart people and then make them use things like Google Cloud and K8S and OKRs and no matter how many people they throw at the problem... progress... is.. slow... Google was a center of technical excellence up until some time around 2005-2010 or so but their real exceptionalism is having the highly profitable near-monopoly advertising business which lets them sustain technological and management systems which wouldn't be sustainable anywhere else.
- nova22033 3y agoThey hire very smart people and then make them use things like Google Cloud Use google cloud? as opposed to what exactly?
- PaulHoule 3y agoOther cloud providers. I did a shootout of 10 vision recognition APIs including AWS and Azure. I had all the other APIs working in under 20 minutes, but Google Cloud took 2 hours just to get authentication working and wound up trashing the Python installation on my machine and forced me to reinstall it. It’s just not a member of the same probability distribution. And it is all like that, what is dead easy with competitors is a struggle with Google Cloud because the maze is truly in the mouse.
- abledon 3y agosomething with more than the 3 colors.
- Nimitz14 3y agoYour info is out of date, Google pays like MS nowadays.
- kridsdale3 3y agoMaybe as of 2023. But in 2022 this is absolutely not accurate.