3 ms·

> What's the one thing that 200 million people did in the USA, particularly children, that had an unknown potential for adverse health effects and that occured

by clipsy 3y ago

> What's the one thing that 200 million people did in the USA, particularly children, that had an unknown potential for adverse health effects and that occured at just the same time and that was new and different? It had to be something different... something new, because this has never happened before.... especially among children. Just think about it. Yes, the vaccine. Yes, of course, because nothing else different and new was circulating through the population at the time. Do people like you all just start with a quasi-religious belief that Covid itself must be harmless? I understand being concerned about the possibility of vaccine side effects, but the constant insistence that a novel respiratory virus is safe strain credulity.

Gibbon1 3y ago
If one were subject to normalcy bias you'd want to believe that the virus was harmless. That everything bad that happened was the vaccines fault. And you'd believe that in spite of all evidence to contrary. Biggest take away from me from the pandemic was how powerful normalcy bias is.
erickf1 3y ago
It sounds like you made up your mind that the vaccine could not possibly be at fault. Nothing to see here, right? You will not even consider the possibility? Not even a 1% probability? Note I said nothing about religion, so not sure why you bring that up here when speaking of the probabilities of potential cause, but I believe your stand requires significant faith. I do not consider covid to be harmless. Many died, including my own family members. We are talking about diabetes among children. Children were hardly impacted by covid. But many did take the vaccine. Food for thought.
- clipsy 3y ago
  > It sounds like you made up your mind that the vaccine could not possibly be at fault. No, I specifically indicated that I was sympathetic to concerns that a rushed vaccine might have unexpected side effects; I simply did not agree with your belief that the vaccine was the only major change during the time period we're discussing. > Nothing to see here, right? You will not even consider the possibility? Not even a 1% probability? This is nothing but an emotionally-driven continuation of the previous claim. Of course I'm willing to consider that the vaccine has serious side effects -- show me the data, and show me it in full context (meaning we also consider the vaccine's impact on the effects of Covid infection). > Note I said nothing about religion, so not sure why you bring that up here when speaking of the probabilities of potential cause, but I believe your stand requires significant faith. "Quasi-religious" because the assumption that Covid couldn't have caused this outcome is invented from whole cloth. > I do not consider covid to be harmless. Many died, including my own family members. We are talking about diabetes among children. Children were hardly impacted by covid. But many did take the vaccine. Food for thought. So at last we've reached the standard conspiracy theorist endpoint: "I'm just asking questions!" And instead of providing an ounce of data to support your argument, you've -- predictably -- provided a pound of wild accusations and obfuscation.

by clipsy 3y ago

Gibbon1 3y ago

If one were subject to normalcy bias you'd want to believe that the virus was harmless. That everything bad that happened was the vaccines fault. And you'd believe that in spite of all evidence to contrary. Biggest take away from me from the pandemic was how powerful normalcy bias is.

erickf1 3y ago

It sounds like you made up your mind that the vaccine could not possibly be at fault. Nothing to see here, right? You will not even consider the possibility? Not even a 1% probability? Note I said nothing about religion, so not sure why you bring that up here when speaking of the probabilities of potential cause, but I believe your stand requires significant faith. I do not consider covid to be harmless. Many died, including my own family members. We are talking about diabetes among children. Children were hardly impacted by covid. But many did take the vaccine. Food for thought.

clipsy 3y ago
> It sounds like you made up your mind that the vaccine could not possibly be at fault. No, I specifically indicated that I was sympathetic to concerns that a rushed vaccine might have unexpected side effects; I simply did not agree with your belief that the vaccine was the only major change during the time period we're discussing. > Nothing to see here, right? You will not even consider the possibility? Not even a 1% probability? This is nothing but an emotionally-driven continuation of the previous claim. Of course I'm willing to consider that the vaccine has serious side effects -- show me the data, and show me it in full context (meaning we also consider the vaccine's impact on the effects of Covid infection). > Note I said nothing about religion, so not sure why you bring that up here when speaking of the probabilities of potential cause, but I believe your stand requires significant faith. "Quasi-religious" because the assumption that Covid couldn't have caused this outcome is invented from whole cloth. > I do not consider covid to be harmless. Many died, including my own family members. We are talking about diabetes among children. Children were hardly impacted by covid. But many did take the vaccine. Food for thought. So at last we've reached the standard conspiracy theorist endpoint: "I'm just asking questions!" And instead of providing an ounce of data to support your argument, you've -- predictably -- provided a pound of wild accusations and obfuscation.