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The 120 Hz refresh is something I slightly noticed and did appreciate when upgrading. Now when going back to an older device 60 Hz is jarring.

buildbot 3y ago
Yeah it feels like your brain is running at half rate or time skipping…not great haha
FirmwareBurner 3y ago
It's why I find it insulting Apple still sells brand new 1000 Euro phones with 60Hz displays when even 200 Euro Androids have 120Hz OLEDs at this point. That's gotta be the biggest scam of the year. Same with USB 2.0 on a thousand Euro phone. That's just taking the mickey.
- sambazi 3y ago
  there is something to be said in favor of well integrated and shaken-out, old technologies
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    At 1000 USD? For 10 year old tech?
- mft_ 3y ago
  A heuristic I often apply (to lots of things) is 'would my Mum... <understand...?> <be able to do...?> <notice...?> <care?>' - as my Mum is reasonably smart and capable, but not at all embedded in any of the technical worlds that I am. e.g. - if my Mum could understand my presentation, then I've found a good level for non-specialists to also understand it quickly To apply it in this case, would my Mum notice or care about the difference between a 60Hz and 120Hz phone screen? I'm pretty sure not, and therefore I'd extrapolate that a vast majority of Apple's userbase wouldn't either.
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    But I'm buying the device, not my mum, and I definetly see the differences, and I also understands that paying one grand for 60Hz displays in 2023 is a scam and I make sure to educate less tech savvy user like my mom to not get scammed like that by some big-corp trying to sell outdated tech specs at huge markups to people who don't know better because for them "whatever it has an Apple logo".
- threeseed 3y ago
  It is USB 2.0 because the iPhone uses the previous generation A16 SOC which was designed around the Lightning port. It's not a scam just one of the many side effects that inevitably occur when doing a major connector transition.
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    >It is USB 2.0 because the iPhone uses the previous generation A16 SOC which was designed around the Lightning port. I know, but as a paying customer I don't care what their bs technical limitation was when my old Samsung Note 3 had USB 3.0 10 years ago so it's not like USB 3.0 is some brand new sci-fi tech that's difficult to figure out like EUV litography. How's this for a fix: They could have put the newer SoC with USB 3.0 in those phones as well and not artificially gimp them like that. How can I not feel scammed when a company treats it's customers like that?
- redserk 3y ago
  It’s not a scam, the spec sheets for each model of their phones are available online. It’s certainly an expensive phone, but the value holds decently for a few years anyways. Apple doesn’t hide that they want to push the “Pro” line and are comfortable not giving too much “new” to the non-Pro models. The iPhone keynote is even split where one is for the lower models and another is for the Pro.
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    It's a scam when they're chargin 1 grand for a phone lacking a basic feature that's bee on Androids for 10 years already and that's only in their even more expensive phones.
- foldr 3y ago
  I suspect most people just don't care about 120Hz. I have a personal MacBook Air (60Hz) and a work MacBook Pro (120Hz) and I simply don't notice any difference. Perhaps I would notice if I specifically looked out for it, but what's the point in that?

buildbot 3y ago

Yeah it feels like your brain is running at half rate or time skipping…not great haha

FirmwareBurner 3y ago

It's why I find it insulting Apple still sells brand new 1000 Euro phones with 60Hz displays when even 200 Euro Androids have 120Hz OLEDs at this point. That's gotta be the biggest scam of the year. Same with USB 2.0 on a thousand Euro phone. That's just taking the mickey.

sambazi 3y ago
there is something to be said in favor of well integrated and shaken-out, old technologies
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  At 1000 USD? For 10 year old tech?
mft_ 3y ago
A heuristic I often apply (to lots of things) is 'would my Mum... <understand...?> <be able to do...?> <notice...?> <care?>' - as my Mum is reasonably smart and capable, but not at all embedded in any of the technical worlds that I am. e.g. - if my Mum could understand my presentation, then I've found a good level for non-specialists to also understand it quickly To apply it in this case, would my Mum notice or care about the difference between a 60Hz and 120Hz phone screen? I'm pretty sure not, and therefore I'd extrapolate that a vast majority of Apple's userbase wouldn't either.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  But I'm buying the device, not my mum, and I definetly see the differences, and I also understands that paying one grand for 60Hz displays in 2023 is a scam and I make sure to educate less tech savvy user like my mom to not get scammed like that by some big-corp trying to sell outdated tech specs at huge markups to people who don't know better because for them "whatever it has an Apple logo".
threeseed 3y ago
It is USB 2.0 because the iPhone uses the previous generation A16 SOC which was designed around the Lightning port. It's not a scam just one of the many side effects that inevitably occur when doing a major connector transition.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  >It is USB 2.0 because the iPhone uses the previous generation A16 SOC which was designed around the Lightning port. I know, but as a paying customer I don't care what their bs technical limitation was when my old Samsung Note 3 had USB 3.0 10 years ago so it's not like USB 3.0 is some brand new sci-fi tech that's difficult to figure out like EUV litography. How's this for a fix: They could have put the newer SoC with USB 3.0 in those phones as well and not artificially gimp them like that. How can I not feel scammed when a company treats it's customers like that?
redserk 3y ago
It’s not a scam, the spec sheets for each model of their phones are available online. It’s certainly an expensive phone, but the value holds decently for a few years anyways. Apple doesn’t hide that they want to push the “Pro” line and are comfortable not giving too much “new” to the non-Pro models. The iPhone keynote is even split where one is for the lower models and another is for the Pro.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  It's a scam when they're chargin 1 grand for a phone lacking a basic feature that's bee on Androids for 10 years already and that's only in their even more expensive phones.
foldr 3y ago
I suspect most people just don't care about 120Hz. I have a personal MacBook Air (60Hz) and a work MacBook Pro (120Hz) and I simply don't notice any difference. Perhaps I would notice if I specifically looked out for it, but what's the point in that?