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The TSA stats show that they found 6,542 firearms in carry-on luggage at US airports last year. [0] This seems to undermine the argument that they are ineffecti
by hodgesrm 3y ago
The TSA stats show that they found 6,542 firearms in carry-on luggage at US airports last year. [0] This seems to undermine the argument that they are ineffective, unless you think those weapons should have been been allowed on aircraft.
[0] https://www.tsa.gov/news/press/releases/2023/01/17/tsa-breaks-yet-another-record-nationally-firearm-discoveries-2022-0 https://www.tsa.gov/news/press/releases/2023/01/17/tsa-break...
- chiph 3y agoHow many didn't they find?
- janalsncm 3y agoZero that were used for hijackings.
- 1123581321 3y agoHow many crimes were prevented? Thousands of guns per year were accidentally or ignorantly (or even defiantly, but nothing happened) brought on board before 9/11, too. The TSA makes rules and then enforces them. Their ability to enforce their own rules doesn't make them effective.
- dgrin91 3y agoThere were a LOT more plane hijackings (with guns and grenades!) pre 9/11.
- 1123581321 3y agoYes, see the other comment.
- hodgesrm 3y agoCan you cite numbers for that claim?
- 1123581321 3y agoYes, look at the number of hijackings by year globally pre and post 9/11. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1240246/aircraft-hijackings-worldwide/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1240246/aircraft-hijacki... Hijackings have been reduced since 9/11 but were always thousands fewer than the number of guns confiscated in the United States alone. The most significant safety improvements (to the pilots' door, new training, changed passenger willingness to fight, revamped air marshal program) do not involve the TSA, at least not the 'retail' side to which most passengers are exposed.
- hodgesrm 3y agoI'm still waiting for numbers that back up the claim that thousands of guns were brought on board without being used for hijackings. The 9/11 hijackers did not actually use guns. [0] Checks for guns date back to the early 70s. Presumably they didn't use guns because they were afraid they might be detected. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks edit: s/weapons/guns/
- 1123581321 3y agoNot sure what else you are looking for. The original stat about the number of guns confiscated (that would otherwise be brought on airplanes) comes from the TSA earlier in the thread.
- freeone3000 3y agoYeah, people leave things in their carry-ons they should have checked all the time. They don’t pay attention to the guidelines and put it in their checked bag with a little sticker because they wanna save their $50. I actually do think every single one of the guns the TSA caught, if allowed on the aircraft, would have proceeded to their final destination with their passenger without incident.
- raydev 3y agoI agree that some security is required, but it's worth noting these guns were caught without the assistance of - people being forced to throw away their water bottles if they forget to dump them before passing through - people being forced to remove belts and shoes - people being forced to have their prescriptions and containers and bags wiped down after they've gone through the first pass