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Interesting how every subscription business is slowly turning to the traditional ad-supported model. People might refuse it, but ad-supported is one of the most

Interesting how every subscription business is slowly turning to the traditional ad-supported model. People might refuse it, but ad-supported is one of the most efficient business models on both the consumer side and business side. Allows more customers to access a service, for free, with the same quality. Plus, every company needs marketing, and even consumers need it. It allows us to notice things we might need in our lives. Not sure why people thought that the subscription model was going to take over. Imagine having to pay for every single service/website we use daily

koolba 3y ago
> Allows more customers to access a service, for free, with the same quality. Being interrupted and attempted to be brainwashed every X minutes is not “the same quality”.
- soco 3y ago
  Also, paying for them is not free.
Retric 3y ago
Except Amazon Prime continues to be a paid service. I quickly stopped watching prime because they already had excessive advertising, I can only imagine how much worse the service is becoming.
e61133e3 3y ago
Hope you forgot the sarcasme sign. Seriously doubt that every company needs "marketing". And refuse to believe that consumers need it.
adverbly 3y ago
> and even consumers need it. It allows us to notice things we might need in our lives Just so I'm clear, are you actually trying to say that ads are good for viewers? Do you personally like ads? Do you use an ad blocker? Are you happy when you see an unskippable 15 second tax on your time?
tupac_speedrap 3y ago
It's only more efficient in screwing over the customer, you are paying the same amount for less of the video you want to watch. It's a shame really, my family had Sky TV about a decade ago and it always baffled me how you pay for the extra channels and then they still have ad breaks.
snickerbockers 3y ago
>Allows more customers to access a service, for free, with the same quality. But prime's not free. Also the video quality is terrible. >Imagine having to pay for every single service/website we use daily Then that's their fault for having an untenable business model, not the user's fault for expecting the free service to remain free. Anyways, in the AI age user generated content has an intrinsic value as training material so submitting posts to social media sites is basically a transaction.
gabereiser 3y ago
Interesting in that once consumers get a taste of an ad-free platform, forever will they wish to return. Ads may be the only way media content as a business makes any money but this really is more telling of where Prime is today. They are losing money. I refuse to watch ads. I block them on all my devices. I don’t watch networks and content that has them. I’ve had a taste of an ad free world and I will do everything in my power to return. If I have a need for something, I’ll research. I would rather go back to pirating content than $20/mo for “limited ads”. It’s fucking Cable all over again.
Mechanical9 3y ago
There's a necessity in society for some form of advertising. People and businesses want to communicate what products and services are available. If a random person wants the ability to start their own business, they're going to need the ability to advertise that they have a new product that they want people to try. Or they want to advertise that there's some societal issue that they want people to be aware of. Consider a world with zero ads. There wouldn't be annoying interruptions. But we also wouldn't ever learn which new movies are playing, which political candidates are running, etc, except from 2nd and 3rd hand sources with several layers of spin (and misunderstanding/misinformation) on the information. I personally hate the current state of direct advertising. There seems to be zero prevention of fraud and zero work towards making ads less annoying. I wish that consensual forms of media could convey all that information instead, in an unbiased, informed, and timely manner. Unfortunately that isn't currently happening for several reasons (media underfunding, editorial conflicts of interest, personalized content streams that preclude any sort of unexpected news). I'm not sure what the solution is overall. I think if every company didn't deliver absolute buckets of trash to their own email marketing lists, then we wouldn't block them and they wouldn't have to pay to ruin our other media.
- edgyquant 3y ago
  >There's a necessity in society for some form of advertising Objectively false
  - gdulli 3y ago
    The best concert I ever saw (Nightmares on Wax) was one I only knew was going to be in town from a TV commercial. I don't follow concert news. I realized recently that I only ever see blockbuster movies anymore because I've hardcore eliminated advertising from my life. I don't know what movies are coming out anymore if they're not huge and mainstream. That's kind of a bummer. Movie trailers were one kind of commercial I did like. Advertising mostly sucks, yes, but like all takes you can be too extremist about it. Sometimes an advertiser's interests align with mine. Maybe I should know the full range of products and services available. I'm not going to forget that the advertiser's message is biased. By blocking all advertising from my life I've introduced a different kind of bias into my choices.
thfuran 3y ago
>Imagine having to pay for every single service/website we use daily I wish. Ads are a cancer.
rchaud 3y ago
> Ad-supported is one of the most efficient business models on both the consumer side and business side. I'm not sure about that. Detach Prime Video from Amazon, Youtube from Google, Hulu from Disney and then maybe we'd see. As it is, these services all look like loss leaders.
tomjen3 3y ago
No we don't need ads for products, since products worth buying are worth people remarking about them, so we hear of the through a filter. Ads don't make services cheaper - you end up paying for the products, the creation of the ad and the overhead, meaning you pay more in the end.
troyvit 3y ago
> Imagine having to pay for every single service/website we use daily I'd love to. If we lived in a world where micro-transactions were simple and inexpensive I would love to pay (how much it costs to serve me my content)+(20% overhead for profit). At least my money would be going to the publisher. There were/are a few companies out there that, for a monthly subscription price, give you paywalled content. They sucked because they were selective about that content, but the idea of paying a clearing house a monthly fee, and having a piece of JS on _everybody's_ site that recognized me and provided the content with no ads and no tracking actually makes me want to take off my tin-foil hat and embrace the internet panopticon.

koolba 3y ago

> Allows more customers to access a service, for free, with the same quality. Being interrupted and attempted to be brainwashed every X minutes is not “the same quality”.

soco 3y ago
Also, paying for them is not free.

Retric 3y ago

Except Amazon Prime continues to be a paid service. I quickly stopped watching prime because they already had excessive advertising, I can only imagine how much worse the service is becoming.

e61133e3 3y ago

Hope you forgot the sarcasme sign. Seriously doubt that every company needs "marketing". And refuse to believe that consumers need it.

adverbly 3y ago

> and even consumers need it. It allows us to notice things we might need in our lives Just so I'm clear, are you actually trying to say that ads are good for viewers? Do you personally like ads? Do you use an ad blocker? Are you happy when you see an unskippable 15 second tax on your time?

tupac_speedrap 3y ago

It's only more efficient in screwing over the customer, you are paying the same amount for less of the video you want to watch. It's a shame really, my family had Sky TV about a decade ago and it always baffled me how you pay for the extra channels and then they still have ad breaks.

snickerbockers 3y ago

>Allows more customers to access a service, for free, with the same quality. But prime's not free. Also the video quality is terrible. >Imagine having to pay for every single service/website we use daily Then that's their fault for having an untenable business model, not the user's fault for expecting the free service to remain free. Anyways, in the AI age user generated content has an intrinsic value as training material so submitting posts to social media sites is basically a transaction.

gabereiser 3y ago

Interesting in that once consumers get a taste of an ad-free platform, forever will they wish to return. Ads may be the only way media content as a business makes any money but this really is more telling of where Prime is today. They are losing money. I refuse to watch ads. I block them on all my devices. I don’t watch networks and content that has them. I’ve had a taste of an ad free world and I will do everything in my power to return. If I have a need for something, I’ll research. I would rather go back to pirating content than $20/mo for “limited ads”. It’s fucking Cable all over again.

Mechanical9 3y ago

There's a necessity in society for some form of advertising. People and businesses want to communicate what products and services are available. If a random person wants the ability to start their own business, they're going to need the ability to advertise that they have a new product that they want people to try. Or they want to advertise that there's some societal issue that they want people to be aware of. Consider a world with zero ads. There wouldn't be annoying interruptions. But we also wouldn't ever learn which new movies are playing, which political candidates are running, etc, except from 2nd and 3rd hand sources with several layers of spin (and misunderstanding/misinformation) on the information. I personally hate the current state of direct advertising. There seems to be zero prevention of fraud and zero work towards making ads less annoying. I wish that consensual forms of media could convey all that information instead, in an unbiased, informed, and timely manner. Unfortunately that isn't currently happening for several reasons (media underfunding, editorial conflicts of interest, personalized content streams that preclude any sort of unexpected news). I'm not sure what the solution is overall. I think if every company didn't deliver absolute buckets of trash to their own email marketing lists, then we wouldn't block them and they wouldn't have to pay to ruin our other media.

edgyquant 3y ago
>There's a necessity in society for some form of advertising Objectively false
- gdulli 3y ago
  The best concert I ever saw (Nightmares on Wax) was one I only knew was going to be in town from a TV commercial. I don't follow concert news. I realized recently that I only ever see blockbuster movies anymore because I've hardcore eliminated advertising from my life. I don't know what movies are coming out anymore if they're not huge and mainstream. That's kind of a bummer. Movie trailers were one kind of commercial I did like. Advertising mostly sucks, yes, but like all takes you can be too extremist about it. Sometimes an advertiser's interests align with mine. Maybe I should know the full range of products and services available. I'm not going to forget that the advertiser's message is biased. By blocking all advertising from my life I've introduced a different kind of bias into my choices.

thfuran 3y ago

>Imagine having to pay for every single service/website we use daily I wish. Ads are a cancer.

rchaud 3y ago

> Ad-supported is one of the most efficient business models on both the consumer side and business side. I'm not sure about that. Detach Prime Video from Amazon, Youtube from Google, Hulu from Disney and then maybe we'd see. As it is, these services all look like loss leaders.

tomjen3 3y ago

No we don't need ads for products, since products worth buying are worth people remarking about them, so we hear of the through a filter. Ads don't make services cheaper - you end up paying for the products, the creation of the ad and the overhead, meaning you pay more in the end.

troyvit 3y ago

> Imagine having to pay for every single service/website we use daily I'd love to. If we lived in a world where micro-transactions were simple and inexpensive I would love to pay (how much it costs to serve me my content)+(20% overhead for profit). At least my money would be going to the publisher. There were/are a few companies out there that, for a monthly subscription price, give you paywalled content. They sucked because they were selective about that content, but the idea of paying a clearing house a monthly fee, and having a piece of JS on _everybody's_ site that recognized me and provided the content with no ads and no tracking actually makes me want to take off my tin-foil hat and embrace the internet panopticon.