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Volvo to cease production of diesel cars in a few months
- zolbrek 3y ago>Sales of diesel models have declined rapidly in Europe since Volkswagen's emission-cheating scandal and carmakers have been gradually reducing the number of diesel models available in their model lineups. That's about the time the EU effectively mandated the use of AdBlue for diesels. AdBlue is a massive pain in the ass and I'm glad not to have to deal with it.
- jeffrallen 3y agoI have a Sharan which needs 10 liters of AdBlue every 18 months or so Less of a pain in the ass than wiper fluid and blades. But it will be the last combustion car I own. The Zoe is out preferred car for most trips.
- ahartmetz 3y agoAdBlue is water with ammonia, cheaper than fuel if you know where to buy, and you need like 1% as much of it as fuel. Read about wood gas generators if you want to know about a real pain in the ass to run a car.
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- rlf_dev 3y agoI buy a 10L jug every 4500Km for my car, last time I bought one it was 15€, don't see what is the pain to deal with it.
- ueucbdnai 3y ago> AdBlue is a massive pain in the ass and I'm glad not to have to deal with it. What are you talking about? I have a diesel and you really only need to top off DEF about as often as you change oil. Your service people will top it off for you, and just about any place that sells diesel in America sells DEF too.
- tengbretson 3y agoHow about the fact that DEF freezes at 12 degrees Fahrenheit, so in order to maintain it in liquid form it has to have an always on tank heater in winter. And if your battery happens to die for an unrelated reason in winter it can cause a thousand dollars in damage to the emissions system. Or how about the fact that the regulations enforcing use of def cause you to be unable to use your vehicle after 500 miles of it detecting any kind of system fault. So imagine you are 10 minutes into a multi-hundred mile drive and an emissions fault pops up. By the time you get home you have about 120 miles of driving before you will not be able to start your vehicle. Now, you call the 2 dealers within 100 miles and due to a thing called the pandemic the soonest you can get a service appointment is over a month out. AdBlue is enough of a pain in the ass that it is the reason I had to buy a second car. How's that for saving the environment.
- callalex 3y agoSure but what about all the people dying premature deaths due to respiratory and heart diseases with clear, well understood, and well established links to diesel particulate pollution?
- zolbrek 3y agoThat's what particle filters are for.
- tengbretson 3y agoI think you might have replied to the wrong post.
- Angostura 3y agoIn what way is it a "massive pain the ass"? I buy 5 or litres from my local supermarket or petrol station once or twice a year, undo cap ad poor it in. It;s a lot less annoying than having to fill the washer bottle
- vondur 3y agoWell, in my situation my truck complained about a problem with the DEF fluid. The truck then proceeded to reduce my maximum speed in increments until thought the fluid was good. It turned out to be a faulty sensor.
- zolbrek 3y agoHave you tried cleaning up an AdBlue spill that's had time to dry? I apprenticed at an auto shop before I switched to metalworking and I had to deal with a number of AdBlue messes. Newer cars make it easier to refill, but the location of the AdBlue cap in some older models makes you rummage around the luggage compartment. God forbid you have a sensor problem with the SCR system since your modern diesel is programmed to be crippled if it reads there's no AdBlue in the tank. We had a car come in once (a Citroen or Renault I believe, I remember it was some sort of Frenchie) that needed its rear left fender to be removed to replace the damn thing and I'm 100% sure devils designed the way everything attached together.
- jiofj 3y agoNot to mention all the restrictions on diesel cars driving through city centres. People used to choose diesel because it was cheaper, so this disproportionately affected poor people - EU's war on personal transportation continues.
- NomDePlum 3y agoCan't say for certain in the whole of the EU but in the UK diesel hasn't been cheaper than petrol in 16 years. I can say this with some certainty as I bought a diesel car 16 years ago partly because it would be cheaper.
- ido 3y agoEU's war on personal transportation continues. Very ineffective war unfortunately, as here in Germany they still seem to invest more in road building than in bike and rail extension (e.g. the A100 extension in Berlin - building a highway through the city as if it’s 1970). I wish we could be more like our neighbours in the Netherlands in this (and other) respects!
- zolbrek 3y agoIt depends on where in Germany you live. Here in MV bicycle paths have been sprouting up like weeds.
- toomuchtodo 3y ago> "In a few months from now, the last diesel-powered Volvo car will have been built, making Volvo Cars one of the first legacy car makers to take this step," the Swedish company said in a statement. > In August 33% of Volvo's sales were fully-electric or hybrid models. The company did not break out how many of the remaining 67% combustion-engine models were diesel and how many ran on petrol. > Diesel vehicles comprised more than 50% of Europe's new car sales in 2015, but accounted for just over 14% of sales in July. Delightfully, we are almost at the combustion->EV tipping point.
- paganel 3y agoWe're most probably at the combustion -> "only upper-middle-class people and richer will be able to afford private transportation" tipping point.
- toomuchtodo 3y agoThat is typically how the manufacturing curve and the innovation curve works. Upper-middle-class people and richer have disposable income and purchasing power which funds expensive goods until manufacturing of those goods scales up to be cheap for people without significant amounts of disposable income and purchasing power. EVs will continue to get cheaper, faster, as global auto manufacturers scale up their production. If you can take a bus, a train, or an ebike, definitely do that. But consumers will not stop buying cars (global light vehicle market is ~83M units/annually), so sell them EVs, making them as inexpensive and quickly as possible. China EV sales are already at 9M units/year, more than half total US light vehicle sales in 2022 (~14M units). TLDR Volume is misleading, pay attention to velocity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experience_curve_effects https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experience_curve_effects https://ourworldindata.org/battery-price-decline https://ourworldindata.org/battery-price-decline https://about.bnef.com/blog/lithium-ion-battery-pack-prices-rise-for-first-time-to-an-average-of-151-kwh/ https://about.bnef.com/blog/lithium-ion-battery-pack-prices-... https://www.reuters.com/technology/ev-energy-storage-battery-prices-set-fall-more-report-2023-09-07/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/ev-energy-storage-battery... https://finance.yahoo.com/news/used-ev-prices-are-collapsing--and-tesla-is-the-reason-why-144449893.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/used-ev-prices-are-collapsing...
- jokoon 3y agoI can't wait to see how 2035 will unfold I heard there already are some exceptions It's about 10 years from now...
- JumpinJack_Cash 3y agoVolvo reliabiliy + diesel meant potentially a 1M miles car without engine rebuild. Sad to see them go.
- mistyvales 3y agoMy 2011 VW TDI has 120k miles on it and expect at least another 200k
- spants 3y agoAfter the battery warranty expires, an EV is a huge risk and will be practically worthless. My 21 yo Mercedes diesel costs pennies to keep on the road and refueling is quick and easy. My 18 yo Honda is the same. BTW, I gave up my BMW M5, M3 and TVRs due to the stress of parking them and the possibility of having them vandalised. I can afford nice things, but I am not throwing money at an EV.
- mistymountains 3y agoIt’s annoying how much things have shifted now that you can’t really own a performance car without worrying if someone will mess with it.