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> state IDs are accepted, but not US passports and other federal identity credentials Federal documents don't have authenticated addresses. The view seems to b

> state IDs are accepted, but not US passports and other federal identity credentials Federal documents don't have authenticated addresses. The view seems to be that only state agencies are capable of verifying you actually live at the address on your ID (See Real ID for more context).

techsupporter 3y ago
> Federal documents don't have authenticated addresses. I wonder why that matters. If I am provably who I say I am, why is the address important? Also, not specifically for you, but generally what about states that don't reissue IDs when someone moves? (I suppose their answer to that is "get an updated ID and try again".)
- abirch 3y ago
  Michael B. Jordan could try to be Michael Jordan. There are many popular names out there. Heck I'd change my name to Bill Gates.
  - CaliforniaKarl 3y ago
    "try" isn't even needed. Example: Two people, living at the same address, whose names differ only in the middle initial. One person moves, submitting the change-of-address form. They then start to get some (or all) of the mail for the other person.
    - Mountain_Skies 3y ago
      Four generations of men in my family have the same name other than suffix. At times three of them lived at the same address. It has caused a number of issues over the years, including unintended cross access to bank accounts. Despite the problems it sometimes creates, they seem to be amused by the confusion.
- simcop2387 3y ago
  For mail forwarding at least, there could be two John Smiths and requesting forwarding for the wrong one would let someone steal mail easily.
- hiatus 3y ago
  I can't imagine there is any state that lacks the option to update the address on your license after you move. Many will even send a sticker in the mail so you don't have to get a new card.
  - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
    Yeah, my daughter tried to get into a bar, but they said she was only 19, so she put an Authentic Sticker over the birthdate, came back to the bouncer with the "update", and then had a great night out.
- kube-system 3y ago
  It's important to the USPS because the reason they want to know a person's identity is for the purpose of physically delivering mail to the correct address for that person. > what about states that don't reissue IDs when someone moves Do these exist? I'm not aware of any state that doesn't require you to update your address when you move.
  - trianglesphere 3y ago
    It’s about moving inside a state. I told the DMV of my new address, but my drivers license still has the old one. Maybe I could get it reissued, but that seems like a pain. Many people move more frequently than the license expiration period.
    - Mountain_Skies 3y ago
      Every time I moved in Georgia, they mailed me a replacement license with my new address. Don't know if all states are like that but given the increasing desire to know people's whereabouts, I would guess many do. Georgia does say it can impose a fee of you move too many times during a license's validity period but haven't seen that actually happen.
    - WendyTheWillow 3y ago
      They just mailed me a new ID with the updated address in VA when I requested, was a lot less of a pain than having government documents that are wrong, imo.
    - gavanm 3y ago
      In Australia, after you change your licence address, they mail you a small sticker with the updated addres, that is then stuck onto the back of your licence. There's a small section marked on the back that is specifically for it. I guess if you move multiple times within the expiry period, you can pull the old sticker off and replace it.
      - pests 3y ago
        I've seen this in my area around metro Detroit as well.
ethbr1 3y ago
> The view seems to be that only state agencies are capable of verifying you actually live at the address on your ID Cue state system "fun" for military folks who have a home of record they're legally-entitled to keep, despite not being resident.
- fatfingerd 3y ago
  The US also follows its citizens everywhere like Eritrea.. Being resident in a State has nothing to do with being a US person.
jkaplowitz 3y ago
> Federal documents don't have authenticated addresses. The view seems to be that only state agencies are capable of verifying you actually live at the address on your ID (See Real ID for more context). Real ID isn’t about this. Federally issued IDs like passports and NEXUS or Global Entry cards can be used in every context where the REAL ID Act’s requirements apply to state-issued driver licenses and non-driver IDs, without any exception I’m aware of, even though these federal documents are not proof of address. But sure, your explanation might well be the justification behind this USPS / Login.gov policy.
chupchap 3y ago
> Federal documents don't have authenticated addresses Huh.. that's interesting. In India it's mostly the other way around. Federal document addresses are mostly verified but state level ones are not.
PrivateButts 3y ago
Man, I know why it's a thorny topic but sometimes I really wish we had a single identity system in the states, just one card that had all your licenses on it, driving/boating/hunting/ccw, and one API to pull all that info. Our county is too cheap/lazy to reissue pistol/sar permits if you buy, sell, or transfer a restricted weapon, instead opts to give you a piece of printer paper to go with it. You have to have that paper addendum with you whenever you're handling a restricted weapon, and you're fucked if anything happens to it, and you get caught.
- ie9rifikr 3y ago
  I'm not American, why is it a thorny topic?
  - hervature 3y ago
    For the same reason the UN telling every country they need a global ID for every citizen is a thorny topic. In the United States, the states are provided with fairly strong protections under the 10th amendment. This is the principle of federalism.
  - cookie_monsta 3y ago
    Not the person you are replying to, but... National ID cards tend to feel icky to people who live in countries that don't have them. People who already have them don't even seem to notice. I think added to that is that Americans have a historical tendency not to trust any kind of federal govt oversight/information collection
    - diydsp 3y ago
      The U.S. is rooted in freedom from overreaching governments. (Slavery, equality is a separate dimension). That's how we were formed. For a while we were nearly tribal and free. We got screwed over when we allowed a federal governemnt to "protect" us. The Bill of Rights was supposed to ensure we didn't lose our freedom. It should have kept us free but instead allowed key points of control like real estate tax incentives to enrich an oligarch class and now we have "corporotacracy." The recent/present leaders can not protect us without violating our rights to privacy... ...or won't. Electric fences and RF food collars feel icky to cows in pastures that don't have them. Cows who already have them don't seem to notice.

techsupporter 3y ago

> Federal documents don't have authenticated addresses. I wonder why that matters. If I am provably who I say I am, why is the address important? Also, not specifically for you, but generally what about states that don't reissue IDs when someone moves? (I suppose their answer to that is "get an updated ID and try again".)

abirch 3y ago
Michael B. Jordan could try to be Michael Jordan. There are many popular names out there. Heck I'd change my name to Bill Gates.
- CaliforniaKarl 3y ago
  "try" isn't even needed. Example: Two people, living at the same address, whose names differ only in the middle initial. One person moves, submitting the change-of-address form. They then start to get some (or all) of the mail for the other person.
  - Mountain_Skies 3y ago
    Four generations of men in my family have the same name other than suffix. At times three of them lived at the same address. It has caused a number of issues over the years, including unintended cross access to bank accounts. Despite the problems it sometimes creates, they seem to be amused by the confusion.
simcop2387 3y ago
For mail forwarding at least, there could be two John Smiths and requesting forwarding for the wrong one would let someone steal mail easily.
hiatus 3y ago
I can't imagine there is any state that lacks the option to update the address on your license after you move. Many will even send a sticker in the mail so you don't have to get a new card.
- NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
  Yeah, my daughter tried to get into a bar, but they said she was only 19, so she put an Authentic Sticker over the birthdate, came back to the bouncer with the "update", and then had a great night out.
kube-system 3y ago
It's important to the USPS because the reason they want to know a person's identity is for the purpose of physically delivering mail to the correct address for that person. > what about states that don't reissue IDs when someone moves Do these exist? I'm not aware of any state that doesn't require you to update your address when you move.
- trianglesphere 3y ago
  It’s about moving inside a state. I told the DMV of my new address, but my drivers license still has the old one. Maybe I could get it reissued, but that seems like a pain. Many people move more frequently than the license expiration period.
  - Mountain_Skies 3y ago
    Every time I moved in Georgia, they mailed me a replacement license with my new address. Don't know if all states are like that but given the increasing desire to know people's whereabouts, I would guess many do. Georgia does say it can impose a fee of you move too many times during a license's validity period but haven't seen that actually happen.
  - WendyTheWillow 3y ago
    They just mailed me a new ID with the updated address in VA when I requested, was a lot less of a pain than having government documents that are wrong, imo.
  - gavanm 3y ago
    In Australia, after you change your licence address, they mail you a small sticker with the updated addres, that is then stuck onto the back of your licence. There's a small section marked on the back that is specifically for it. I guess if you move multiple times within the expiry period, you can pull the old sticker off and replace it.
    - pests 3y ago
      I've seen this in my area around metro Detroit as well.

ethbr1 3y ago

> The view seems to be that only state agencies are capable of verifying you actually live at the address on your ID Cue state system "fun" for military folks who have a home of record they're legally-entitled to keep, despite not being resident.

fatfingerd 3y ago
The US also follows its citizens everywhere like Eritrea.. Being resident in a State has nothing to do with being a US person.

jkaplowitz 3y ago

> Federal documents don't have authenticated addresses. The view seems to be that only state agencies are capable of verifying you actually live at the address on your ID (See Real ID for more context). Real ID isn’t about this. Federally issued IDs like passports and NEXUS or Global Entry cards can be used in every context where the REAL ID Act’s requirements apply to state-issued driver licenses and non-driver IDs, without any exception I’m aware of, even though these federal documents are not proof of address. But sure, your explanation might well be the justification behind this USPS / Login.gov policy.

chupchap 3y ago

> Federal documents don't have authenticated addresses Huh.. that's interesting. In India it's mostly the other way around. Federal document addresses are mostly verified but state level ones are not.

PrivateButts 3y ago

Man, I know why it's a thorny topic but sometimes I really wish we had a single identity system in the states, just one card that had all your licenses on it, driving/boating/hunting/ccw, and one API to pull all that info. Our county is too cheap/lazy to reissue pistol/sar permits if you buy, sell, or transfer a restricted weapon, instead opts to give you a piece of printer paper to go with it. You have to have that paper addendum with you whenever you're handling a restricted weapon, and you're fucked if anything happens to it, and you get caught.

ie9rifikr 3y ago
I'm not American, why is it a thorny topic?
- hervature 3y ago
  For the same reason the UN telling every country they need a global ID for every citizen is a thorny topic. In the United States, the states are provided with fairly strong protections under the 10th amendment. This is the principle of federalism.
- cookie_monsta 3y ago
  Not the person you are replying to, but... National ID cards tend to feel icky to people who live in countries that don't have them. People who already have them don't even seem to notice. I think added to that is that Americans have a historical tendency not to trust any kind of federal govt oversight/information collection
  - diydsp 3y ago
    The U.S. is rooted in freedom from overreaching governments. (Slavery, equality is a separate dimension). That's how we were formed. For a while we were nearly tribal and free. We got screwed over when we allowed a federal governemnt to "protect" us. The Bill of Rights was supposed to ensure we didn't lose our freedom. It should have kept us free but instead allowed key points of control like real estate tax incentives to enrich an oligarch class and now we have "corporotacracy." The recent/present leaders can not protect us without violating our rights to privacy... ...or won't. Electric fences and RF food collars feel icky to cows in pastures that don't have them. Cows who already have them don't seem to notice.