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OpenBSD/ARM64 on Hetzner Cloud
- nerdyadventurer 3y agoNot related, may I ask how you guys host and maintain your services on Hetzner (web servers, Postgres etc)?
- infofarmer 3y agoHappily running FreeBSD 13 on Hetzner CAX11 since April [1] [2] Great to see OpenBSD is now available as well! [1] https://twitter.com/pandrewhk/status/1649020655558336514 https://twitter.com/pandrewhk/status/1649020655558336514 [2] https://gist.github.com/pandrewhk/2d62664bfb74a504b7f4a894fc85eb97 https://gist.github.com/pandrewhk/2d62664bfb74a504b7f4a894fc...
- petecooper 3y agoThanks very much for the pointer to [2], that's just saved me a heap of time and effort!
- Lucasoato 3y agoDuring the last KubeCon in Amsterdam, Hetzner employees hinted at the possibility of a Kubernetes-as-a-Service entirely managed by them… that’s one of my hidden dreams :)
- fnomnom 3y agoif you need managed k8s on german or other european servers without us companies involved there is OVH.
- omnibrain 3y agoAnd Scaleway. (I have no experience using Kubernetes on Scaleway, I use their Elastic Metal, Managed DNS and some other smaller offerings)
- neoromantique 3y agoWe've been running Scaleway for years (Both VMs and managed k8s). There are quirks from time to time, their disk system has been nightmarish for a while, but they've recently had a major overhaul there and we didn't really have any major complaints since. It is very decent for the price, I would say.
- tecleandor 3y agoHaven't tested their offer, but also Vultr and Scaleway have managed Kubernetes service.
- fnomnom 3y agoisnt vultr a US company?
- tecleandor 3y agoAh true! I was using some of their European locations and I forgot :P
- king_phil 3y agoMight go up in flames, though, and literally
- capableweb 3y agoContext: OVHcloud's data center fire: One year on, what do we know? - https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/opinions/ovhclouds-data-center-fire-one-year-on-what-do-we-know/ https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/opinions/ovhclouds-dat...
- xmodem 3y agoWe looked at OVH's managed kubernetes offering but it is hideously expensive compared to, say, DigitalOcean/Vultr,
- turtles3 3y agoI thought they had the same deal as DO - control plane is free and you pay for nodes at the standard rate. Have I missed something? I am considering moving our DO to ovh mainly because DO lacks fine grained IAM
- fnomnom 3y agoits not the cheapest but its EU only which makes selling your stuff to european mid size companies much easier ;)
- mkreis 3y agoalso there is IONOS
- e12e 3y agoAlso https://upcloud.com https://upcloud.com
- Tijdreiziger 3y agoAlso TransIP (since a short while).
- petecooper 3y agoBlog post: https://www.cambus.net/openbsd-arm64-on-hetzner-cloud/ https://www.cambus.net/openbsd-arm64-on-hetzner-cloud/ https://web.archive.org/web/20230921084743/https://www.cambus.net/openbsd-arm64-on-hetzner-cloud/ https://web.archive.org/web/20230921084743/https://www.cambu...
- petecooper 3y agoI'm a big fan of the CAX* series on Hetzner. The price vs performance is really good. I'm patiently waiting for Percona to add Debian `bookworm` packages for their database servers on arm64/aarch64 and then I can migrate from amd64 on other cloud providers.
- tiffanyh 3y agoHetzner has some insane offerings. For ~$100/mo: - AMD 7950X3D - 16 cores (Zen5) - 128 GB ECC DDR5 - 2x2TB NVMe At any other provider this would cost 5-10x the cost. https://www.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/ax102 https://www.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/ax102
- mkagenius 3y agoSure, but mostly they won't accept you if you are from a developing country trying to break in to the tech world. Its a catch 22 situation - they offer cheaper prices only to those who can afford expensive servers. I know it's because of spam - but it is what it is.
- gumballindie 3y ago[flagged]
- puzzlingcaptcha 3y agoThere are better ways than blanket bans, but they are more expensive to implement and continuously maintain. The cheaper price comes from somewhere.
- gumballindie 3y ago[flagged]
- tallanvor 3y agoNot at all. It's far easier for criminals to use stolen credit card information to spin up servers for a month at a time than to compromise other servers. I'm sorry you seem to be from a country that Hetzner has identified as being responsible for too much fraud, but Hetzner refusing to provide services to people in certain countries isn't criminal.
- maurice2k 3y agoHonest question: Why choose BSD over Linux? I've worked/played around with BSD back in the 90s and actually never looked back. Tried it here and there within the last 20 years but never found it as versatile as Linux. Working on macOS (how much BSD is still in that system?) since 6 month now and finally getting used to it. Still feels a bit crippled compared to the tools I used under Windows/Linux.
- sebtron 3y agoFor OpenBSD on a server in particular, many useful tools (web server, mail server, pf...) are developed by the same team and better integrated in the base system. This means consistent documentation, behavior and syntax (e.g. for configuration). In contrast, Linux distributions are a collection of software taken from different sources, with all the quirks that may derive from this. (I don't want to imply that the BSDs have only advantages over Linux and not the other way round, but the OP asked specifically why _BSD over Linux_).
- hnarayanan 3y agoFor OpenBSD in particular, security baked into the core.
- ahoka 3y agoYou don’t need to pay for more than one CPU core if you run OpenBSD, because you can’t utilize them anyway. ;)
- Uptrenda 3y agoNice, I just bought Hetzner's 'EX101' and I'm extremely happy with it. Already hosting my own STUN, TURN, and echo servers. They give you plenty of IPv6s and adding additional IPv4s is very cheap. I'm happy with it. I want to say that if any of you decide to try Hetzner and use their auction process instead of their regular packages - make sure you check out the details for the CPU. I made the mistake of buying an old server on there because it had plenty of RAM, disk space, and bandwidth. Then I saw the CPU was ancient and had only 4 cores. You know there is something quite unique and strange about Hetzner. They charge you no money until your first invoice date rolls around. So you essentially have access to their servers for free until whenever the next invoice date is. It seems to me... how to say it? Kind of crazy and insanely trusting. But it works, I guess?
- unfunco 3y agoIt's the same with AWS and GCP and Digital Ocean isn't it? An active card check is performed but that's about it, you PAYG and get billed at the end of the month.
- quickthrower2 3y agoDigital Ocean seem to do this too. At least at my tiny spend level.
- petecooper 3y agoIn my experience, some of the DigitalOcean lower end tiers have older Xeon chips that just feel slower. One of the first things I do is run `yabs` on a new droplet to see exactly where I'm at: https://github.com/masonr/yet-another-bench-script https://github.com/masonr/yet-another-bench-script
- huijzer 3y agoYes, good tip! I once searched for a super cheap VPS and found one, but found out the hard way that the single core performance was terrible; 3 times as slow as Hetzner.
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- MrThoughtful 3y agoFor a LAMP system (Debian, Apache, MariaDB, PHP) what is the best choice on Hetzner Cloud these days, Intel, AMD or ARM? More generally speaking, ist there any difference (except maybe performance) when running Debian on Intel vs AMD vs ARM?
- Neil44 3y agoIf you don't want to get super techie you will get less headaches with Intel or AMD today. Deciding between those two is not a big deal compared to other things, like the code you're running and the server setup, unless you have decent scale.
- endisneigh 3y agoWhat’s the equivalent of Hetzner with respect to price/performance located in unites states, if any for dedicated servers.
- moooo99 3y agoHetzner does now have US based locations. However, as far I can tell, they are restricted to their cloud products and not their line of dedicated servers
- xmodem 3y agoOVH has a location in Canada (east coast), not quite as cheap as Hetzner though
- heipei 3y agoThere are none unfortunately. I've found Vultr to be good value if you really need dedicated servers, OVH probably as well. However, a Hetzner VPS with dedicated CPUs in the US is still less expensive than the equivalent dedicated server at those providers.
- xinayder 3y agoThey have ARM servers for as low as 3.79/mo with 2 vCPUs and 4 GB RAM. And as of September 19 they are available in Nuremberg and Finland as well, not just Falkenstein.
- Citizen_Lame 3y agoBut if your server or website gets targeted by DDOS or anything similar, they will just shut down the network/server and you have very little recourse as their customer service is very unfriendly.
- berkle4455 3y agoThey also do it when their system incorrectly flags traffic. They're the Paypal of web hosting. Stay far, far away.
- bobwaycott 3y agoThis is a stub article. The original source is https://www.cambus.net/openbsd-arm64-on-hetzner-cloud/ https://www.cambus.net/openbsd-arm64-on-hetzner-cloud/
- amatecha 3y agoYeah agreed, should change the link to the actual original source rather than an aggregation/summary.
- ezequiel-garzon 3y agoAfter paying Vultr way too much for my personal toy OpenBSD hosting, let me share my host TinyKVM [1] as a happy customer. Obviously look at the terms, they clearly recommend not using it for any critical purposes. It's a service offered by RAM Host [2], based in Dallas. A bit out of the blue, I'll say that I'm also a happy customer of MXroute [3], which are also in Texas. I like these folk's no-nonsense approach. I can only think of SpongeBob's friend Sandy, and the experience have reinforced this stereotype :) No affiliation, I'm sorry for this regional digression, have never been to Texas unfortunately, but good job, guys! [1] https://tinykvm.com https://tinykvm.com [2] https://ramhost.us https://ramhost.us [3] https://mxroute.com https://mxroute.com
- patrakov 3y agoSo, somebody succeeded running OpenBSD/ARM64 in someone else's stock pre-configured VM. Great! But what about some bigger targets - e.g. running OpenBSD ARM64 on a stock bare-metal server provided by some dedicated hosting company, not necessarily Hetzner?
- daneel_w 3y agoLook for Ampere-based systems: https://www.openbsd.org/arm64.html https://www.openbsd.org/arm64.html
- rmoriz 3y agoI wish Hetzner/Hetzner Cloud would support "bring your own IPs" (BYOIP) as other cloud providers already do.
- matrix12 3y agoAnyone have any benchmarks?