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The real issue is obviously people are mad that abortion laws are being enforced. If two people were coordinating their intentions to murder their friend and ge

The real issue is obviously people are mad that abortion laws are being enforced. If two people were coordinating their intentions to murder their friend and get rid of the body, would you be mad if the company turned over their "private" chats? If no, then it's not a tech/privacy issue at all.

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dilap 3y ago
Well, yes, I would be. Let the state find another way to catch murderers; I would like to retain the ability to have private conversations.
- Supply5411 3y ago
  >Court and police records show that police began investigating 17-year-old Celeste Burgess and her mother Jessica Burgess after receiving a tip-off that the pair had illegally buried a stillborn child given birth to prematurely by Celeste. The two women told detective Ben McBride of the Norfolk, Nebraska Police Division that they’d discussed the matter on Facebook Messenger, which prompted the state to issue Meta with a search warrant for their chat history and data including log-in timestamps and photos.[1] Police were given a tip. They talked to the women, who then admitted to coordinating the crime over chat. A warrant was issued. No 4th amendment was violated. 1. https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/10/23299502/facebook-chat-messenger-history-nebraska-teen-abortion-case https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/10/23299502/facebook-chat-me...
happytoexplain 3y ago
It is valid to argue the opinion that some businesses should not record or store chats, or should use E2E encryption. It is also valid to argue the opinion that a law could be beyond a certain threshold of immorality where a business should prefer the risk of a federal lawsuit over complying. It is also valid to argue the opinion opposite to these two opinions. My point being that it is the antithesis of reason to assert that these opinions simply can not be held, or are somehow fundamentally invalid.
sundaeofshock 3y ago
Except it wasn’t murder; it was a young woman — with support and consent of her mother — attempting to practice bodily autonomy.
- mikecoles 3y ago
  Murder by another name is still murder.
  - sundaeofshock 3y ago
    Dude, if you want to make women second class citizens, just come right out and say it. No need to be shy about it.
    - mikecoles 3y ago
      Dude, if you enjoy killing babies, just come right out and say it. You'll be applauded for being so brave.
- Supply5411 3y ago
  Call it whatever makes you feel better, it doesn't change the law, which doesn't make this a tech/privacy issue.

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dilap 3y ago

Well, yes, I would be. Let the state find another way to catch murderers; I would like to retain the ability to have private conversations.

Supply5411 3y ago
>Court and police records show that police began investigating 17-year-old Celeste Burgess and her mother Jessica Burgess after receiving a tip-off that the pair had illegally buried a stillborn child given birth to prematurely by Celeste. The two women told detective Ben McBride of the Norfolk, Nebraska Police Division that they’d discussed the matter on Facebook Messenger, which prompted the state to issue Meta with a search warrant for their chat history and data including log-in timestamps and photos.[1] Police were given a tip. They talked to the women, who then admitted to coordinating the crime over chat. A warrant was issued. No 4th amendment was violated. 1. https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/10/23299502/facebook-chat-messenger-history-nebraska-teen-abortion-case https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/10/23299502/facebook-chat-me...

happytoexplain 3y ago

It is valid to argue the opinion that some businesses should not record or store chats, or should use E2E encryption. It is also valid to argue the opinion that a law could be beyond a certain threshold of immorality where a business should prefer the risk of a federal lawsuit over complying. It is also valid to argue the opinion opposite to these two opinions. My point being that it is the antithesis of reason to assert that these opinions simply can not be held, or are somehow fundamentally invalid.

sundaeofshock 3y ago

Except it wasn’t murder; it was a young woman — with support and consent of her mother — attempting to practice bodily autonomy.

mikecoles 3y ago
Murder by another name is still murder.
- sundaeofshock 3y ago
  Dude, if you want to make women second class citizens, just come right out and say it. No need to be shy about it.
  - mikecoles 3y ago
    Dude, if you enjoy killing babies, just come right out and say it. You'll be applauded for being so brave.
Supply5411 3y ago
Call it whatever makes you feel better, it doesn't change the law, which doesn't make this a tech/privacy issue.