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Reminds my of when I tried to resurrect and old DJI drone with an out of date iPad mini for a controller. I turn on drone, launch the app and try several times

Reminds my of when I tried to resurrect and old DJI drone with an out of date iPad mini for a controller. I turn on drone, launch the app and try several times to take off and fail. Try one last time assuming failure and it starts to take off! But then... Just as the drone starts to drift towards me, several notifications pop up within the app/iOS preventing control and sending me into a panic. Drone hits the house shredding a few blades, starts to careen and then before it hits me, a brave family member grabs the landing strut and keeps it in a death grip until I can dismiss the warnings and "land".

phero_cnstrcts 3y ago
At this point I’ll just try to build anything I need from the ground up myself.
- tetris11 3y ago
  Ardupilot and MavProxy are a great starting point.
  - phero_cnstrcts 3y ago
    Thanks, I haven’t heard about mavproxy.
samtho 3y ago
Instead of legislating pop over messages to happen (looking at cookie messages), we just need to legislate these trash interruptions away. I didn’t begin using the device I purchased to be interrupted by something that had literally no bearing on my life, I cannot effectively use the device if I decline, and the existence of such can cause harm if I am working with something sensitive.
- boatsie 3y ago
  on that note, is anyone ever voluntarily, knowingly clicking the “accept all” other than to dismiss these? Like why not just legislate that you can’t do the kind of tracking they are asking because I’m pretty sure literally nobody wants it…
  - dizhn 3y ago
    The accept button is a one time deal. You click it and never hear about it again. Deny on the other hand causes the same question to come up again and again. They want you either to get fed up and accept it or accidentally accept it.
    - OkGoDoIt 3y ago
      Maybe the cookie tracking whether or not you responded isn’t saved if you reject cookies?
      - doublerabbit 3y ago
        Nah. They normally have the default "allow system cookies" which is untickable. What annoys me are the "Legitimate Consent" option on all 9000 cookie vendors. There never seems to be a "No to all" button on those.
        bad_user 3y ago
        The IAB consent dialog is the worst, as it makes you consent to the entire advertising industry. Those legitimate interests, however, are bullshit. Just because they claim it, doesn't mean it's true. For instance, a DPA just claimed that Facebook can't claim a legitimate interest for behavioral advertising, so they'll have to ask for consent. Which will be interesting, because they won't be able to refuse service to those that decline.
        swores 3y ago
        The "legitimate interest" part of GDPR is just horrifically abused by so many companies, who act like it's a magic two words which allow them to collect personal information without consent because they said "ooooh we really do have a legitimate reason for this data" which is against both the spirit and the wording of the GDPR. I really hope to see a few big cases where the EU fines companies for that, so that everyone else gets the picture and stops hiding behind legitimate fucking interest. But I don't know why that hasn't happened yet, hopefully it's just slow moving rather than a case of the laws implementing GDPR being fuzzy enough that countries are worried they wouldn't win the case in courts. (But if that were the case, hurry up and update the law!) /side note: apologies on behalf of my profession, since it's largely marketing people who've led to these shitty practises. We're not all assholes, some of us do respect people's data, rights, and (lack of-)consent.
ReptileMan 3y ago
I remember how I had once unimportant android service crashing that was set to instantly restart the service. And always gave the warning and you had to click ok - made the whole phone unusable until factory reset. Ok, half a second later ok. It was system. Couldn't be disabled - not that you could even get to the apps menu. What kind of team of engineers thought that this kind of stupidity was a good idea.
ncr100 3y ago
That's an awesome and horrifying story. I used to work with a software engineer who said to me he would never trust medical equipment that was computerized. It's hard to escape it these days but 20 years ago he was well aware of how many bugs even the most experienced software engineer would leave behind, and was rightly concerned that like if he needed medical support from a machine, that it could very well kill him.
- mitthrowaway2 3y ago
  Reminds me of the Therac-25: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therac-25 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therac-25
  - ncr100 3y ago
    Lordy - yes, terrifically horrible example.
freedomben 3y ago
The move to use mobile devices as controllers has always terrified me. They are just way too user-disempowering to be reliable like that.
Tagbert 3y ago
It might be best to turn on “do not disturb” during such a session.
- grishka 3y ago
  Doesn't prevent the very rude iOS updates. When there's a system update, it's not a notification, it's an alert, followed by a fullscreen modal to "enter your passcode to install overnight" with a small button to dismiss at the bottom. That's, I have to say, from a company that prides itself on the best UX in the industry.
  - gnicholas 3y ago
    But don't you see — it's for the greater good! They can only give you the best user experience if you update to the latest version of iOS!
tamimio 3y ago
I’m not sure when that happened, but you probably better used a 3rd party app to fly it, they are usually more feature richer and more hacky too
- maxerickson 3y ago
  That just makes it even worse that the vendor app does it.
  - tamimio 3y ago
    Indeed, that’s why whenever I fly DJI, I use other apps, like Litchi or UgCS

phero_cnstrcts 3y ago

At this point I’ll just try to build anything I need from the ground up myself.

tetris11 3y ago
Ardupilot and MavProxy are a great starting point.
- phero_cnstrcts 3y ago
  Thanks, I haven’t heard about mavproxy.

samtho 3y ago

Instead of legislating pop over messages to happen (looking at cookie messages), we just need to legislate these trash interruptions away. I didn’t begin using the device I purchased to be interrupted by something that had literally no bearing on my life, I cannot effectively use the device if I decline, and the existence of such can cause harm if I am working with something sensitive.

boatsie 3y ago
on that note, is anyone ever voluntarily, knowingly clicking the “accept all” other than to dismiss these? Like why not just legislate that you can’t do the kind of tracking they are asking because I’m pretty sure literally nobody wants it…
- dizhn 3y ago
  The accept button is a one time deal. You click it and never hear about it again. Deny on the other hand causes the same question to come up again and again. They want you either to get fed up and accept it or accidentally accept it.
  - OkGoDoIt 3y ago
    Maybe the cookie tracking whether or not you responded isn’t saved if you reject cookies?
    - doublerabbit 3y ago
      Nah. They normally have the default "allow system cookies" which is untickable. What annoys me are the "Legitimate Consent" option on all 9000 cookie vendors. There never seems to be a "No to all" button on those.
      - bad_user 3y ago
        The IAB consent dialog is the worst, as it makes you consent to the entire advertising industry. Those legitimate interests, however, are bullshit. Just because they claim it, doesn't mean it's true. For instance, a DPA just claimed that Facebook can't claim a legitimate interest for behavioral advertising, so they'll have to ask for consent. Which will be interesting, because they won't be able to refuse service to those that decline.
      - swores 3y ago
        The "legitimate interest" part of GDPR is just horrifically abused by so many companies, who act like it's a magic two words which allow them to collect personal information without consent because they said "ooooh we really do have a legitimate reason for this data" which is against both the spirit and the wording of the GDPR. I really hope to see a few big cases where the EU fines companies for that, so that everyone else gets the picture and stops hiding behind legitimate fucking interest. But I don't know why that hasn't happened yet, hopefully it's just slow moving rather than a case of the laws implementing GDPR being fuzzy enough that countries are worried they wouldn't win the case in courts. (But if that were the case, hurry up and update the law!) /side note: apologies on behalf of my profession, since it's largely marketing people who've led to these shitty practises. We're not all assholes, some of us do respect people's data, rights, and (lack of-)consent.

ReptileMan 3y ago

I remember how I had once unimportant android service crashing that was set to instantly restart the service. And always gave the warning and you had to click ok - made the whole phone unusable until factory reset. Ok, half a second later ok. It was system. Couldn't be disabled - not that you could even get to the apps menu. What kind of team of engineers thought that this kind of stupidity was a good idea.

ncr100 3y ago

That's an awesome and horrifying story. I used to work with a software engineer who said to me he would never trust medical equipment that was computerized. It's hard to escape it these days but 20 years ago he was well aware of how many bugs even the most experienced software engineer would leave behind, and was rightly concerned that like if he needed medical support from a machine, that it could very well kill him.

mitthrowaway2 3y ago
Reminds me of the Therac-25: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therac-25 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therac-25
- ncr100 3y ago
  Lordy - yes, terrifically horrible example.

freedomben 3y ago

The move to use mobile devices as controllers has always terrified me. They are just way too user-disempowering to be reliable like that.

Tagbert 3y ago

It might be best to turn on “do not disturb” during such a session.

grishka 3y ago
Doesn't prevent the very rude iOS updates. When there's a system update, it's not a notification, it's an alert, followed by a fullscreen modal to "enter your passcode to install overnight" with a small button to dismiss at the bottom. That's, I have to say, from a company that prides itself on the best UX in the industry.
- gnicholas 3y ago
  But don't you see — it's for the greater good! They can only give you the best user experience if you update to the latest version of iOS!

tamimio 3y ago

I’m not sure when that happened, but you probably better used a 3rd party app to fly it, they are usually more feature richer and more hacky too

maxerickson 3y ago
That just makes it even worse that the vendor app does it.
- tamimio 3y ago
  Indeed, that’s why whenever I fly DJI, I use other apps, like Litchi or UgCS