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Not only there’s no model weights or code released, there’s not even a paper. Nothing is revealed about the model. “OpenAI”, ladies and gentlemen.
by p1esk 3y ago
Not only there’s no model weights or code released, there’s not even a paper. Nothing is revealed about the model. “OpenAI”, ladies and gentlemen.
- teaearlgraycold 3y ago[flagged]
- 0xDEF 3y agoHas anyone who funded OpenAI back in 2015 spoken out against their non-openness? Elon Musk only did after he no longer had a stake in it. Edit: OpenAI is a corporation and their stakeholders include Microsoft, Peter Thiel, and Infosys. Yeah, not really surprising that they are not "Open".
- jprete 3y agoI think I remember there being an organizational structure where the outer organization was a non-profit and they separated out what is now OpenAI into a for-profit subsidiary with a profit cap of 100x investment. I still can't believe such a deal is legal.
- suyash 3y agoJoke's on you pal if you're still expecting that from 'OpenAI' :/
- benatkin 3y agoAt first I thought of it as Open(Web|Source|File Format|StreetMap|etc), now I group it with OpenTable. Also at first this objection really resonated with me. I think the meaning of OpenAI has spread pretty well now, and that it's getting to the point where raising this objection is tiresome. There is an important point to be made about how it got popularized as being open and then they went and closed it while keeping the momentum, but that should be made instead of just saying, "wait, it's called OpenAI but isn't open?!?!" However, stuff gets started as an open play all the time and gets closed, without open in the brand name, for instance https://ghuntley.com/fracture/ https://ghuntley.com/fracture/ - hence the term https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openwashing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openwashing
- p1esk 3y agoThis is the first time they have not posted any sort of a paper when releasing a new model. Even the sort that accompanied GPT-4 announcement.
- benatkin 3y agoQualifier intended. It's getting to the point where raising this objection is tiresome., soon it will be :-)
- p1esk 3y agoI still think publicly expressing how we feel about their “openness” is the right thing to do. And I’m sure there are people inside OpenAI who feel the same way.
- chankstein38 3y agoTo be fair, that usually implies that you're made tired by the recipient's statement. Like if your child (hypothetical) was misbehaving and you told him "I'm getting tired of your disobedience" that child should expect that you mean you want them to stop being disobedient.
- dilap 3y agoI think the least they could do is change their name, to better match their new philosophy.
- cooper_ganglia 3y agoThey’ll wait until the first PR meltdown, rebrand as something silly like “Meta” or something, and then fade back into the collective unconscious.
- pdntspa 3y agoYeah, the whole 'open' part of this was them aligning themselves philosophically with open-source. But of course they throw that away when the money comes talking...
- b555 3y agoNotActuallyOpenAI
- acedTrex 3y agoI am certainly looking forward to the day that open source models can be evenly matched with "open"ai's models.
- jquery 3y agoNot only is there no nutritional information or recipe released, there's not even an ingredients list. Nothing is revealed about this fruit. 'Apple,' ladies and gentlemen. Heck, the only Apples you'll find at an Apple Store are running on iOS, not growing on trees!
- SanderNL 3y agoMeanwhile, competitors are choking in papers, but fail to release anything I can get my hands on (that’s worth a damn). I can actually appreciate “open” as “open to access” or “open to actually having a product iso posturing about being so far ahead but never releasing anything worthwhile” (looking at Google).
- Karrot_Kream 3y agoAgreed, but there's room in the middle. Meta releases Llama papers and weights. And the community is all the better for it.
- dnissley 3y agoThere's room for all here! May the best one win
- downWidOutaFite 3y agoLlama was leaked which forced Facebook's hand.
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- yazzku 3y agoFollow us on Instagram.
- FirmwareBurner 3y agoOpen in this context means open for business.
- marginalia_nu 3y agoOpen you wallet ;-)
- TaylorAlexander 3y agoI am one of the more powerful open source fanatics out there, and yet this constant refrain, over and over, lamenting that the name of the company is inaccurate, is very tiresome. I think we know here. This does not add anything to the discussion IMO. Observing that no weights, code, or paper were released are useful, but the line about “OpenAI is not really open” is IMO tired and unproductive. They aren’t going to change it. It’s just sour grapes at this point.
- pdntspa 3y agoSo pretty much, "shut up and accept it, peon" Yeahno... that's not gonna suffice. Squeaky wheel gets the oil!
- LightMachine 3y agoShut up and accept what? A company being closed source / for profit? Are we rioting against capitalism or something? Should I get my pitchforks? Just to be sure, we'll include literally all major tech companies, or is only OpenAI the target?
- pdntspa 3y agoOnly openAI, they're the ones absuing the word 'open' > Are we rioting against capitalism or something? That would be nice... can we do it Fight Club style?
- TaylorAlexander 3y agoAre you suggesting that if we complain hard enough about the name on Hacker News that… OpenAI is going to change their name? Because it is my position that this will never succeed, and all we’re doing is adding noise to the discussion here.
- pdntspa 3y agoI don't want them to change their name, I want them to open-source their models. And its not about HN, it is about the larger community grumbling. Not that it will do anything but if they're going to annoy us with their disingenuous naming then we can annoy them by calling them out for it. There are a million other names of blithe corpo-jibberish they could use, but they didn't. And it is oh-so-convenient how discussion that you don't like is "noise". Us smarties are fantastic at rationlizing arent we? Yes let's just limit the conversation to breathless panty-creaming only. I'm sure the CEO would really like that!
- pixl97 3y agoFedex is part of the federal government, right? Names mean nothing.
- callalex 3y agoA surprising number of people, still, to this day, believe that to be true. Names really do mean something. Edit: and don’t get me started on the Better Business “Bureau”
- ceejayoz 3y agohttps://www.fedex.com/en-us/about/history.html https://www.fedex.com/en-us/about/history.html > Mr. Smith thought the word “federal” suggested an interest in nationwide economic activity, and hoped the name would resonate with the Federal Reserve Bank, a potential customer.
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- notahacker 3y agoBut if they release model weights to their algorithmic raster image generator and don't succeed in their lobbying efforts to ban their competitors, it will result in the AI apocalypse. Think of the children!
- onthecanposting 3y agoA lowercase "i" prefix would really tie it together.
- EGreg 3y agoDemocratic People’s Republic of Korea. Democratic Republic of the Congo. Anyone who puts the word Democratic in their name is likely to be less democratic than others
- 1-6 3y agoClosedAI
- going_ham 3y agoAt this point, I won't hesitate a single bit of doubt that this company literally stole stable diffusion and built on top of it. Like how will we ever know? If they were so good they could have released before SDXL. But they waited.
- dheera 3y agoAre you willing to fund their org and all their salaries? That's what it would take them to be open in a capitalistic society, realistically. Don't get me wrong, I love open-source, open-weights research, but the elephant in the room is that people aren't willing to do that on dirt-poor postdoc salaries anymore, for good reasons, especially when greedy landlords are now charging upwards of $4000/month just to have a reasonable living space, and the government takes close to 50% of your salary.
- caycep 3y agoThe real open AI research institute these days seem to be DAIR.
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- LightMachine 3y agoWe get it. OpenAI is a for profit company now. The "Open" in name doesn't reflect their vision anymore. Can we stop it already? Or is this some kind of rant against for profit / closed source in general?
- johnfn 3y agoOpenAI is revolutionizing AI and somehow the only thing that occurs to you is this tiresome criticism of their name?