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This is textbook spiritual bypassing. You are misusing Buddhist teachings in order to run away from your life. Buddhism especially (but also related religions)

This is textbook spiritual bypassing. You are misusing Buddhist teachings in order to run away from your life. Buddhism especially (but also related religions) is about facing the difficulty in your life as it is, not "blissing out for 30 minutes while you wife is talking to you"

meindnoch 3y ago
Oh no! If Buddha said so then it must be true.
- bowsamic 3y ago
  Why are you putting words in my mouth? I never said that. I'm sure you can manage to refute me without lying.
  - meindnoch 3y ago
    Why did you bring up your religion in the first place? OP said that he found this cool technique for instant relaxation, and then you started talking about whatever religious bullcrap.
    - bowsamic 3y ago
      Because mindfulness meditation is taken from a specific religion. Also, is "facing your suffering" really "religious bullcrap"? I'm saying that using techniques taken from religions to avoid your suffering is spiritual bypassing. Please explain how that is "religious bullcrap"
      - throwbadubadu 3y ago
        > is taken from a specific religion. It hasn't been only "discovered" there, definitely not... and even if so, religion or whatever is the truth and noone dare to use it differently ( what OP even not said), bad cultural appropriation or what?
      - meindnoch 3y ago
        Religions have a history of making up bullshit reasons why suffering and being unhappy is the righteous path. Christianity promises you a happy afterlife for suffering in real life, Hinduism tells you that you're getting karmic credit points for your next life, etc. "facing your suffering" is just another iteration of this. A more rational take on these teachings is that historically they were a tool of pacifying the masses to accept their abject poverty and squalor without revolting and imploding the social hierarchy. They make no sense in a post-scarcity world. This is what I mean by religious bullcrap.
        bowsamic 3y ago
        I didn't mention any of that stuff though. Facing your suffering is the only way to understand truly how to solve it. You can keep running from it if you want but it will just catch up to you.
        gardenhedge 3y ago
        Says who?
        bowsamic 3y ago
        Me.
        vrc 3y ago
        Hinduism doesn’t have “karmic credit points” and this is a misconception. Karma is the output of the totality of your life and its measurement is cosmically obscured. You can, however, be granted awesome boons by the various deities for extreme selfless acts of devotion —- demons included.
tuyiown 3y ago
I think you misread the comment and he doesn't do this to escape his wife. You should reflect on yourself to understand what mechanism makes you jump head on on a (illegitimate) patronizing opportunity.
gnz11 3y ago
Do Buddhist teachings not talk about passing judgments? OP provided an anecdote which makes no claims about "running away from life".
- bowsamic 3y ago
  No, they do not talk of that
  - mistermann 3y ago
    [flagged]
    - bowsamic 3y ago
      Why would I care if ChatGPT disagrees?
    - Cthulhu_ 3y ago
      ChatGPT is not an authoritative source and should never be used in any kind of argument. I'm sorry you seem to defer to it instead of bring in your own take.
      - mistermann 3y ago
        Please do not represent your opinions as facts, it causes substantial harm in the world.
      - oh_sigh 3y ago
        ChatGPT disagrees: ChatGPT can be used in arguments and debates as a tool to provide information, generate ideas, and assist in the exchange of opinions. However, it's important to remember that ChatGPT is a machine learning model and not a human. It lacks personal beliefs, emotions, and the ability to engage in moral or ethical reasoning. Here are some considerations when using ChatGPT in arguments: Fact-checking: ChatGPT can be used to verify facts and provide accurate information. It can be a valuable resource for finding data and statistics to support your argument. Idea generation: ChatGPT can help you brainstorm ideas and arguments, providing different perspectives and viewpoints that you might not have considered. Counterarguments: You can use ChatGPT to explore counterarguments to your position. This can help you anticipate and address opposing viewpoints effectively. Ethical considerations: Be cautious when discussing sensitive or controversial topics. ChatGPT's responses are based on the data it was trained on, which may reflect biases present in the training data. Be aware of potential biases in the information it provides. Support, not replacement: While ChatGPT can be a useful tool, it should not replace critical thinking and informed analysis. It's essential to critically evaluate the information it provides and use it as a supplement to your own knowledge and judgment. Respectful communication: Remember to engage in respectful and constructive discourse when using ChatGPT in arguments. Avoid using it to generate disrespectful or offensive content. In summary, ChatGPT can be a valuable resource in arguments and discussions, but it should be used thoughtfully and responsibly, with an understanding of its limitations and potential biases. It should complement your own reasoning and research rather than serve as a substitute for them.

meindnoch 3y ago

Oh no! If Buddha said so then it must be true.

bowsamic 3y ago
Why are you putting words in my mouth? I never said that. I'm sure you can manage to refute me without lying.
- meindnoch 3y ago
  Why did you bring up your religion in the first place? OP said that he found this cool technique for instant relaxation, and then you started talking about whatever religious bullcrap.
  - bowsamic 3y ago
    Because mindfulness meditation is taken from a specific religion. Also, is "facing your suffering" really "religious bullcrap"? I'm saying that using techniques taken from religions to avoid your suffering is spiritual bypassing. Please explain how that is "religious bullcrap"
    - throwbadubadu 3y ago
      > is taken from a specific religion. It hasn't been only "discovered" there, definitely not... and even if so, religion or whatever is the truth and noone dare to use it differently ( what OP even not said), bad cultural appropriation or what?
    - meindnoch 3y ago
      Religions have a history of making up bullshit reasons why suffering and being unhappy is the righteous path. Christianity promises you a happy afterlife for suffering in real life, Hinduism tells you that you're getting karmic credit points for your next life, etc. "facing your suffering" is just another iteration of this. A more rational take on these teachings is that historically they were a tool of pacifying the masses to accept their abject poverty and squalor without revolting and imploding the social hierarchy. They make no sense in a post-scarcity world. This is what I mean by religious bullcrap.
      - bowsamic 3y ago
        I didn't mention any of that stuff though. Facing your suffering is the only way to understand truly how to solve it. You can keep running from it if you want but it will just catch up to you.
        gardenhedge 3y ago
        Says who?
        bowsamic 3y ago
        Me.
      - vrc 3y ago
        Hinduism doesn’t have “karmic credit points” and this is a misconception. Karma is the output of the totality of your life and its measurement is cosmically obscured. You can, however, be granted awesome boons by the various deities for extreme selfless acts of devotion —- demons included.

tuyiown 3y ago

I think you misread the comment and he doesn't do this to escape his wife. You should reflect on yourself to understand what mechanism makes you jump head on on a (illegitimate) patronizing opportunity.

gnz11 3y ago

Do Buddhist teachings not talk about passing judgments? OP provided an anecdote which makes no claims about "running away from life".

bowsamic 3y ago
No, they do not talk of that
- mistermann 3y ago
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  - bowsamic 3y ago
    Why would I care if ChatGPT disagrees?
  - Cthulhu_ 3y ago
    ChatGPT is not an authoritative source and should never be used in any kind of argument. I'm sorry you seem to defer to it instead of bring in your own take.
    - mistermann 3y ago
      Please do not represent your opinions as facts, it causes substantial harm in the world.
    - oh_sigh 3y ago
      ChatGPT disagrees: ChatGPT can be used in arguments and debates as a tool to provide information, generate ideas, and assist in the exchange of opinions. However, it's important to remember that ChatGPT is a machine learning model and not a human. It lacks personal beliefs, emotions, and the ability to engage in moral or ethical reasoning. Here are some considerations when using ChatGPT in arguments: Fact-checking: ChatGPT can be used to verify facts and provide accurate information. It can be a valuable resource for finding data and statistics to support your argument. Idea generation: ChatGPT can help you brainstorm ideas and arguments, providing different perspectives and viewpoints that you might not have considered. Counterarguments: You can use ChatGPT to explore counterarguments to your position. This can help you anticipate and address opposing viewpoints effectively. Ethical considerations: Be cautious when discussing sensitive or controversial topics. ChatGPT's responses are based on the data it was trained on, which may reflect biases present in the training data. Be aware of potential biases in the information it provides. Support, not replacement: While ChatGPT can be a useful tool, it should not replace critical thinking and informed analysis. It's essential to critically evaluate the information it provides and use it as a supplement to your own knowledge and judgment. Respectful communication: Remember to engage in respectful and constructive discourse when using ChatGPT in arguments. Avoid using it to generate disrespectful or offensive content. In summary, ChatGPT can be a valuable resource in arguments and discussions, but it should be used thoughtfully and responsibly, with an understanding of its limitations and potential biases. It should complement your own reasoning and research rather than serve as a substitute for them.