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I live in the real world, and there are incident reports that go into great detail about every aircraft loss. I’ve read every one since 1999, and I’ve never see

I live in the real world, and there are incident reports that go into great detail about every aircraft loss. I’ve read every one since 1999, and I’ve never seen an incident where the pilot ejected over a populated area in an aircraft that was still controlled. What you all are imagining does not happen, and the odds of it happening are vanishingly small.

ciscoriordan 3y ago
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/russian-su-34-fullback-jet-slams-into-apartment-building-in-a-ball-of-fire https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/russian-su-34-fullback... “The statement went on to add that the crash was caused by an issue with one of the engines during takeoff, but the jet's two crewmembers are said to have ejected safely and survived. The extent of the injuries to the apartment building's tenants as well as civilians in the surrounding area is unknown at present.”
- justsomehnguy 3y ago
  "To the last I struggled to lift the plane, [but] copilot Yuriy Yegorov hit the catapult [triggering ejection] and we two ejected with our seats."
  - 1attice 3y ago
    What I love about HN is that you can get from 'a plane went missing' to a thread that cites every plane loss since 1999 followed by a counterargument citing a downed MIG. Like, how the heck do you all know so much? The demographics of this site are unreal
    - brabel 3y ago
      You've never been in an internet argument yourself? You don't need to know shit, just google stuff to support your views which you had already formed without evidence and post it to prove whatever you need to support your case.
    - moralestapia 3y ago
      Well, one of those guys was just flexing/lying tbf ...
      - MarkMarine 3y ago
        Nah, I read every incident report for military in the US because it was part of my job. Since we were talking about US military aviation I felt that was the avenue. I have read every incident report for Russia, not that I even could.
        MarkMarine 3y ago
        *have not
        tomcam 3y ago
        Always the straight man, I asked, what’s your job? It sounds unreasonably interesting to me.
        benterix 3y ago
        I have a strange feeling that Mark was a Marine.
        zikzak 3y ago
        Once a Marine, always a Marine, I believe.
        mikhailfranco 3y ago
        I always wonder if (ex)Marines can ever relax on a beach holiday.
        gorlilla 3y ago
        As long as you remember some ice so the crayons don't melt.
    - fragmede 3y ago
      It's the long tail of the Internet, but with humans' knowledge.
      - HeyLaughingBoy 3y ago
        This encapsulates HN very well :-)
    - selimthegrim 3y ago
      You might also consider there is probably some cross-pollination with r/NonCredibleDefense, which has a lot of military intelligence people and analysts (the Yeysk crash got a lot of memes on there)
cameldrv 3y ago
Have you looked at the MiG-23 that crashed last month in Michigan?
- Jtsummers 3y ago
  https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/192855/pdf https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/G... This one? Which reads as though the back-seater (not the pilot) was the one that ejected and took the pilot with him?
  - marcosdumay 3y ago
    What invalidates none of the gain from the OP's idea. And in fact, if it's reliable, it can help saving pilots lives.
- ZeroCooly 3y ago
  I think it's worth noting that that the MiG-23 that crashed in Michigan was a privately owned aircraft, flown not by an active service member. I highly doubt the military allows their pilots to eject without absolute certainty that the multimillion/billion dollar aircraft is totally lost. Additionally, I highly doubt there are many privately owned military jets equipped with ejection seats that are allowed to fly, especially in residential airspace. Also, as someone who works on FMS's the likelihood that a military program would spend the money required to code an AT/AP to have that capability is just too close to zero.
  - lsh123 3y ago
    Interview with the guy who pulled the ejection cord in the Michigan Mig-23: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ftcn3NwAZCI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ftcn3NwAZCI tldr; they were out of airspeed and out of altitude barely within ejection envelope (i.e. exhausted all the options)
  - thrill 3y ago
    "I highly doubt the military allows their pilots to eject without absolute certainty that the multimillion/billion dollar aircraft is totally lost." Military pilots most assuredly do not seek permission to eject. Given time they may indeed seek advice about the likelihood of a good landing.

ciscoriordan 3y ago

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/russian-su-34-fullback-jet-slams-into-apartment-building-in-a-ball-of-fire https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/russian-su-34-fullback... “The statement went on to add that the crash was caused by an issue with one of the engines during takeoff, but the jet's two crewmembers are said to have ejected safely and survived. The extent of the injuries to the apartment building's tenants as well as civilians in the surrounding area is unknown at present.”

justsomehnguy 3y ago
"To the last I struggled to lift the plane, [but] copilot Yuriy Yegorov hit the catapult [triggering ejection] and we two ejected with our seats."
- 1attice 3y ago
  What I love about HN is that you can get from 'a plane went missing' to a thread that cites every plane loss since 1999 followed by a counterargument citing a downed MIG. Like, how the heck do you all know so much? The demographics of this site are unreal
  - brabel 3y ago
    You've never been in an internet argument yourself? You don't need to know shit, just google stuff to support your views which you had already formed without evidence and post it to prove whatever you need to support your case.
  - moralestapia 3y ago
    Well, one of those guys was just flexing/lying tbf ...
    - MarkMarine 3y ago
      Nah, I read every incident report for military in the US because it was part of my job. Since we were talking about US military aviation I felt that was the avenue. I have read every incident report for Russia, not that I even could.
      - MarkMarine 3y ago
        *have not
      - tomcam 3y ago
        Always the straight man, I asked, what’s your job? It sounds unreasonably interesting to me.
        benterix 3y ago
        I have a strange feeling that Mark was a Marine.
        zikzak 3y ago
        Once a Marine, always a Marine, I believe.
        mikhailfranco 3y ago
        I always wonder if (ex)Marines can ever relax on a beach holiday.
        gorlilla 3y ago
        As long as you remember some ice so the crayons don't melt.
  - fragmede 3y ago
    It's the long tail of the Internet, but with humans' knowledge.
    - HeyLaughingBoy 3y ago
      This encapsulates HN very well :-)
  - selimthegrim 3y ago
    You might also consider there is probably some cross-pollination with r/NonCredibleDefense, which has a lot of military intelligence people and analysts (the Yeysk crash got a lot of memes on there)

cameldrv 3y ago

Have you looked at the MiG-23 that crashed last month in Michigan?

Jtsummers 3y ago
https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/192855/pdf https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/G... This one? Which reads as though the back-seater (not the pilot) was the one that ejected and took the pilot with him?
- marcosdumay 3y ago
  What invalidates none of the gain from the OP's idea. And in fact, if it's reliable, it can help saving pilots lives.
ZeroCooly 3y ago
I think it's worth noting that that the MiG-23 that crashed in Michigan was a privately owned aircraft, flown not by an active service member. I highly doubt the military allows their pilots to eject without absolute certainty that the multimillion/billion dollar aircraft is totally lost. Additionally, I highly doubt there are many privately owned military jets equipped with ejection seats that are allowed to fly, especially in residential airspace. Also, as someone who works on FMS's the likelihood that a military program would spend the money required to code an AT/AP to have that capability is just too close to zero.
- lsh123 3y ago
  Interview with the guy who pulled the ejection cord in the Michigan Mig-23: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ftcn3NwAZCI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ftcn3NwAZCI tldr; they were out of airspeed and out of altitude barely within ejection envelope (i.e. exhausted all the options)
- thrill 3y ago
  "I highly doubt the military allows their pilots to eject without absolute certainty that the multimillion/billion dollar aircraft is totally lost." Military pilots most assuredly do not seek permission to eject. Given time they may indeed seek advice about the likelihood of a good landing.