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let the human pilot make decisions == let the machine make decisions It's not like pilots are making political decisions. They pilot and shoot predefined targe
by mrtksn 3y ago
let the human pilot make decisions == let the machine make decisions
It's not like pilots are making political decisions. They pilot and shoot predefined targets, avoid hostile actions. AI is capable of doing this.
> Not in the realm of "should I shoot that thing?" sort of decisions.
On the contrary, AI is very capable of making that decision. There are no philosophical dilemmas or children in the skies and even if there were we are at the point where we can tell the device not shoot children. There will be mistakes but human pilots makes mistakes too.
- ceejayoz 3y agoMilitary pilots absolutely make all sorts of decisions, like "that looks like a civilian target, maybe I have incorrect info" or "a little kid just ran into the target area" or "the controller says I just shot at friendlies". I would not currently trust an AI to handle those very well. What would an AI have done in this situation? What should it have done? "Russian pilot deliberately fired missiles at a Royal Air Force surveillance plane in international airspace over the Black Sea last year": https://apnews.com/article/uk-russia-fighter-jet-missile-black-sea-7e6c04c10d1e6035d01c01ca595ccb6e https://apnews.com/article/uk-russia-fighter-jet-missile-bla...
- mrtksn 3y agoAI can absolutely say "that looks like a civilian target, maybe I have incorrect info" or "a little kid just ran into the target area" or "the controller says I just shot at friendlies". What makes you think that AI can't incorporate those into decision making? Pilots do these through instruments anyway.
- ceejayoz 3y ago> What makes you think that AI can't incorporate those into decision making? The fact that state-of-the-art AI already fails at much simpler decisions. In the case of the Black Sea incident, the potential consequences include global thermonuclear war.
- alistairSH 3y agoThe same AI that gets confused when you stick a traffic cone on the hood? Yeah, I don't want that algorithm deciding who to bomb.
- CamperBob2 3y agoSelf-driving cars are a much harder problem than anything airborne.
- weard_beard 3y agoMaybe we can use autonomous drones to shoot the traffic cones off the self driving cars then.
- nradov 3y agoWrong. Flying from point to point is easy. Following complex ROEs, using combined arms tactics, dealing with system failures, identifying valid targets, and employing weapons are all much harder problems than self-driving cars. It's always hilarious to see the confidently incorrect comments by a bunch of ignorant software developers. The Dunning–Kruger effect is on full display here.
- CamperBob2 3y agoLOL, OK. You've listed a lot of problems that have been largely solved already, and are trying to convince us that they are harder than a problem that has eluded the brightest people in the tech industry, armed with computational tools that the aerospace community never dreamed of and backed by more-or-less infinite capital. Nothing is harder than self-driving cars. Nothing. We'll colonize Mars before we have a solid solution to that problem. Why? Self-driving cars have to coexist with human drivers and human infrastructure. Nobody in aviation has that problem. If they did, they'd run screaming for the hills.
- nradov 3y agoYou've been watching too many movies and are just making things up. Those problems haven't been solved in tactical aviation.
- selimthegrim 3y agoOr the USS Liberty for that matter.
- nradov 3y agoNonsense. AI can work well enough for striking certain known targets. But it is simply not capable of following complex rules of engagement or adapting to highly dynamic situations in real time. We are at least decades away from that capability in a general sense. What you see in movies is not reality. Sixth-generation tactical aircraft (the successors to the F-35) are likely to be optionally manned. They will be able to operate with remote pilots and/or autonomous control for high risk strike missions but most of the time will still have human crews on board.
- mrtksn 3y agoIf you haven't notice, lately AI is pretty good at woking with information that never seen before.
- closewith 3y ago> It's not like pilots are making political decisions. In the age of the Strategic Corporal, they absolutely are.
- ImHereToVote 3y agoI'm more worried about domestic use. It's hard to get soldiers to carpet bomb wrong thinkers.
- ceejayoz 3y ago> It's hard to get soldiers to carpet bomb wrong thinkers. I'm not sure how accurate that is historically.
- ImHereToVote 3y agoI didn't say it's impossible, but it isn't sustainable. With autonomous drones, it's easy. Ask your generals if autonomous drones are right for you.