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How about making the phones and laptops easier to repair? Or at least make the batteries easier to swap?

by tacker2000 3y ago

TheSpiceIsLife 3y ago
Make the phones 3mm thicker and put bigger batteries in them.
- andy_ppp 3y ago
  They could just do this by making the phone the same thickness as the camera bump... Battery could be 2 days+ I suspect.
  - jb1991 3y ago
    My iPhone 10 battery already lasts me over 2 days on a charge and I use it all day.
    - dewey 3y ago
      Can you define „use it all day“? I find that claim hard to believe as someone who used a 10 until recently and even got the battery replaced.
      - jb1991 3y ago
        I’ll start using it as soon as I wake up in the morning, and while I do not talk on the phone much, I am constantly using messaging apps, a brokerage app, and reading webpages for many hours throughout the day. I do a full charge every two or three days.
        andy_ppp 3y ago
        I suppose there is a distribution for processor efficiency, screens, battery size and so on that could put you at an extreme end of the range, being charitable. Still, this seems unlikely given most people's experiences with these devices.
        jb1991 3y ago
        Perhaps since my eyes are rather sensitive to screen light, the fact that I keep my brightness at 50% or a slightly less is part of the reason?
- nonethewiser 3y ago
  And bring back headphone jack
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > Make the phones 3mm thicker and put bigger batteries in them How did we circle around to using more material as an impact-reducing measure?
  - TheSpiceIsLife 3y ago
    I really would have expected a deeper analysis from someone of your calibre. It should be fairly simple to see how a slightly larger input up front could result in less maintenance over time.
    - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
      > should be fairly simple to see how a slightly larger input up front could result in less maintenance over time Heavier phones hit the ground with more momentum. Moreover, how many people throw away—not sell or trade in—their phones because of battery alone? Given the ease of replacing iPhone batteries, I’d guess it’s minimal. The only thing more battery grants in scale is on the packaging and microcontroller. Compare that to the excess material, on account of folks charging their phone every day (switching from daily to every-third-day charging is unlikely a meaningful behavioural update), and you see the net waste. Particularly when heavy users can be segmented to with external battery packs. (Which don’t add the momentum tax.) It could help. But proposing using more material use in an environmental discussion without thought to its trade-offs isn’t serious debate.
- madeofpalk 3y ago
  iPhones have consistently gotten both thicker and larger battery capacity over the years. iPhone X from 2017 was 7.7mm and 2716 mAh, iPhone 15 Pro is 8.25mm and 3274 mAh.
steve1977 3y ago
https://www.macrumors.com/2023/09/13/iphone-15-pro-models-more-repairable/ https://www.macrumors.com/2023/09/13/iphone-15-pro-models-mo... At least something...
127 3y ago
While this is good, if they can prove and demonstrate that their recycling process is equal or better in environmental impact, the repairability only helps repair shops stay in business. Of course, this is a big if, and I don't think they are anywhere near that goal, especially considering sourcing various materials. Just a nuance I often see missing from these conversations.

How about making the phones and laptops easier to repair? Or at least make the batteries easier to swap?

TheSpiceIsLife 3y ago

Make the phones 3mm thicker and put bigger batteries in them.

andy_ppp 3y ago
They could just do this by making the phone the same thickness as the camera bump... Battery could be 2 days+ I suspect.
- jb1991 3y ago
  My iPhone 10 battery already lasts me over 2 days on a charge and I use it all day.
  - dewey 3y ago
    Can you define „use it all day“? I find that claim hard to believe as someone who used a 10 until recently and even got the battery replaced.
    - jb1991 3y ago
      I’ll start using it as soon as I wake up in the morning, and while I do not talk on the phone much, I am constantly using messaging apps, a brokerage app, and reading webpages for many hours throughout the day. I do a full charge every two or three days.
      - andy_ppp 3y ago
        I suppose there is a distribution for processor efficiency, screens, battery size and so on that could put you at an extreme end of the range, being charitable. Still, this seems unlikely given most people's experiences with these devices.
        jb1991 3y ago
        Perhaps since my eyes are rather sensitive to screen light, the fact that I keep my brightness at 50% or a slightly less is part of the reason?
nonethewiser 3y ago
And bring back headphone jack
JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> Make the phones 3mm thicker and put bigger batteries in them How did we circle around to using more material as an impact-reducing measure?
- TheSpiceIsLife 3y ago
  I really would have expected a deeper analysis from someone of your calibre. It should be fairly simple to see how a slightly larger input up front could result in less maintenance over time.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > should be fairly simple to see how a slightly larger input up front could result in less maintenance over time Heavier phones hit the ground with more momentum. Moreover, how many people throw away—not sell or trade in—their phones because of battery alone? Given the ease of replacing iPhone batteries, I’d guess it’s minimal. The only thing more battery grants in scale is on the packaging and microcontroller. Compare that to the excess material, on account of folks charging their phone every day (switching from daily to every-third-day charging is unlikely a meaningful behavioural update), and you see the net waste. Particularly when heavy users can be segmented to with external battery packs. (Which don’t add the momentum tax.) It could help. But proposing using more material use in an environmental discussion without thought to its trade-offs isn’t serious debate.
madeofpalk 3y ago
iPhones have consistently gotten both thicker and larger battery capacity over the years. iPhone X from 2017 was 7.7mm and 2716 mAh, iPhone 15 Pro is 8.25mm and 3274 mAh.

steve1977 3y ago

https://www.macrumors.com/2023/09/13/iphone-15-pro-models-more-repairable/ https://www.macrumors.com/2023/09/13/iphone-15-pro-models-mo... At least something...

127 3y ago

While this is good, if they can prove and demonstrate that their recycling process is equal or better in environmental impact, the repairability only helps repair shops stay in business. Of course, this is a big if, and I don't think they are anywhere near that goal, especially considering sourcing various materials. Just a nuance I often see missing from these conversations.