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> Japans only hope was finishing the us Navy early on at Pearl Harbor and midway but once the US ramped up production the US never lost their military lead Fro

> Japans only hope was finishing the us Navy early on at Pearl Harbor and midway but once the US ramped up production the US never lost their military lead From Admiral Yamamoto's diary: > I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve.

lumost 3y ago
The biggest lesson of ww2 is that once a major industrial war starts - the only end is mutual exhaustion. Japan would always have needed to defeat the US industrial base. Even if Pearl Harbor had less to an immediate occupation of Hawaii and bombardment of the west coast - the US wasn’t going to forget and go home. A negotiated settlement would have been impossible to enforce until the US was incapable of fighting.
- hodgesrm 3y ago
  > The biggest lesson of ww2 is that once a major industrial war starts - the only end is mutual exhaustion. How does match the actual outcome? WW II ended in the complete defeat of Germany and Japan and post-war domination by the US and USSR, not least through their industrial capacity as well as possession of nuclear weapons. This does not seem very debatable. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what you meant? edit: clarification
- Someone 3y ago
  > The biggest lesson of ww2 is that once a major industrial war starts - the only end is mutual exhaustion. I don’t see how one would draw that conclusion. The USA were far from exhausted at the end of World War Two, and neither was Russia (but that required help from the USA. World war two was won thanks to American industrial output and Russian blood) I also think the USA would have accepted a Japanese surrender long before its armies and industry were destroyed, if it came with giving up all occupied territory and large parts of its army and navy. Having too few natural resources at home, Japan barely (if at all) was an existential threat to the USA at the start of the war, and certainly wasn’t anymore once they were cut off from the oil fields in what now is Indonesia.
  - nicbou 3y ago
    Isn't that what the person said? The US and USSR were not exhausted. Germany and Japan were.
    - Someone 3y ago
      They said “once a major industrial war starts - the only end is mutual exhaustion” I said I don’t see anything mutual about it. World War One was almost like that, but even then, the USA still was relatively fresh in November 1918, and, if fighting had gone on, the collapse of the western front would likely have raised morale for Britain and France.
- matheusmoreira 3y ago
  > once a major industrial war starts - the only end is mutual exhaustion Nothing mutual about it in this case. Imperial Japan's exhaustion was but a matter of time. The nukes only accelerated the inevitable.

lumost 3y ago

The biggest lesson of ww2 is that once a major industrial war starts - the only end is mutual exhaustion. Japan would always have needed to defeat the US industrial base. Even if Pearl Harbor had less to an immediate occupation of Hawaii and bombardment of the west coast - the US wasn’t going to forget and go home. A negotiated settlement would have been impossible to enforce until the US was incapable of fighting.

hodgesrm 3y ago
> The biggest lesson of ww2 is that once a major industrial war starts - the only end is mutual exhaustion. How does match the actual outcome? WW II ended in the complete defeat of Germany and Japan and post-war domination by the US and USSR, not least through their industrial capacity as well as possession of nuclear weapons. This does not seem very debatable. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what you meant? edit: clarification
Someone 3y ago
> The biggest lesson of ww2 is that once a major industrial war starts - the only end is mutual exhaustion. I don’t see how one would draw that conclusion. The USA were far from exhausted at the end of World War Two, and neither was Russia (but that required help from the USA. World war two was won thanks to American industrial output and Russian blood) I also think the USA would have accepted a Japanese surrender long before its armies and industry were destroyed, if it came with giving up all occupied territory and large parts of its army and navy. Having too few natural resources at home, Japan barely (if at all) was an existential threat to the USA at the start of the war, and certainly wasn’t anymore once they were cut off from the oil fields in what now is Indonesia.
- nicbou 3y ago
  Isn't that what the person said? The US and USSR were not exhausted. Germany and Japan were.
  - Someone 3y ago
    They said “once a major industrial war starts - the only end is mutual exhaustion” I said I don’t see anything mutual about it. World War One was almost like that, but even then, the USA still was relatively fresh in November 1918, and, if fighting had gone on, the collapse of the western front would likely have raised morale for Britain and France.
matheusmoreira 3y ago
> once a major industrial war starts - the only end is mutual exhaustion Nothing mutual about it in this case. Imperial Japan's exhaustion was but a matter of time. The nukes only accelerated the inevitable.