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This is an example https://meta.chaos.social/rules https://meta.chaos.social/rules For example "No right or alt-right bullshit, Nazi content, conspiracy narra

by mongol 3y ago

This is an example https://meta.chaos.social/rules https://meta.chaos.social/rules For example "No right or alt-right bullshit, Nazi content, conspiracy narratives.". What about leftish bullshit? That also exists, so why be so specific? The answer to me is pretty clear. These are rules for a specific political worldview.

seba_dos1 3y ago
You're mentioning a service ran by a very particular community that draws Antifa logos on badges given to participants of its events. Of course it's not going to tolerate right-wing bullshit and it has every right to state that, but I fail to see how that's on-topic here. It's hardly a surprise that a CoC used by a community that's likely "woke" by your standards appears as "woke" to you.
- mongol 3y ago
  I was asked to provide an example and gave one. How could that not be on topic?
  - seba_dos1 3y ago
    You asserted that CoCs "usually broadcast a woke world view", and when asked for an example provided one that's used by a clearly left-aligned community. You could very well make a completely opposite statement and also find a supporting example and it would be just as informative. Many communities aren't explicitly politically aligned and their CoCs aren't either.
  - timeon 3y ago
    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/usually https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/usually
nortonham 3y ago
you're mad a private organization doesn't want to be associated with nazism, conspiracy theories or alt-right nonsense?
- friend_and_foe 3y ago
  There you go, agitating. That's not what they're saying. They're saying that the rules are one sided, you're allowed to be an ideological extremist as long as you're the right kind of ideological extremist. I'd personally like to contribute in communities again, like it used to be, where insane political ideology of any stripe was not an important aspect of contribution. It seems these days people like me, who don't want to either see the N word every five minutes or hear about late stage capitalism and gender identity, don't have a place in the FOSS world.
  - nortonham 3y ago
    But it's a private org, they can limit speech how they see fit. Communities need to have rules; if not communities can become pretty toxic, and drive people away who might want to contribute, or even just seek help. By making it clear they ban nazi's and the alt-right, people know what they're getting into when they join. I don't see the issue, and I don't buy into "horseshoe theory" or the idea that far left and far right are just two sides of the same coin, because they're not. You're hearing lots about late stage capitalism because of the times we're in. You're hearing lots about gender identity because until recently in modern capitalist society it was dangerous for people who didn't fit traditional gender norms to express that openly.
    - friend_and_foe 3y ago
      Well so is the Hyprland community, yet we seem to be discussing the merits of deciding for them how they limit speech. We don't want them to do it how they see fit as you put it, because their criteria are not to our liking. I personally find the politicization of everything off putting and won't contribute to projects that do it. I'd call the constant push to shoehorn gender identity into every crevice of our lives toxic and I'd say it drives me and other people away. But that's OK right, because they don't want people like me contributing, that's the point, and maybe I have a right to not want people like them contributing in my projects also, maybe I don't want to be inclusive towards people that aren't inclusive towards me.
shrimp_emoji 3y ago
Wow, I think I'm too lawful left aligned to handle that level of "chaos". D:

by mongol 3y ago

seba_dos1 3y ago

You're mentioning a service ran by a very particular community that draws Antifa logos on badges given to participants of its events. Of course it's not going to tolerate right-wing bullshit and it has every right to state that, but I fail to see how that's on-topic here. It's hardly a surprise that a CoC used by a community that's likely "woke" by your standards appears as "woke" to you.

mongol 3y ago
I was asked to provide an example and gave one. How could that not be on topic?
- seba_dos1 3y ago
  You asserted that CoCs "usually broadcast a woke world view", and when asked for an example provided one that's used by a clearly left-aligned community. You could very well make a completely opposite statement and also find a supporting example and it would be just as informative. Many communities aren't explicitly politically aligned and their CoCs aren't either.
- timeon 3y ago
  https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/usually https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/usually

nortonham 3y ago

you're mad a private organization doesn't want to be associated with nazism, conspiracy theories or alt-right nonsense?

friend_and_foe 3y ago
There you go, agitating. That's not what they're saying. They're saying that the rules are one sided, you're allowed to be an ideological extremist as long as you're the right kind of ideological extremist. I'd personally like to contribute in communities again, like it used to be, where insane political ideology of any stripe was not an important aspect of contribution. It seems these days people like me, who don't want to either see the N word every five minutes or hear about late stage capitalism and gender identity, don't have a place in the FOSS world.
- nortonham 3y ago
  But it's a private org, they can limit speech how they see fit. Communities need to have rules; if not communities can become pretty toxic, and drive people away who might want to contribute, or even just seek help. By making it clear they ban nazi's and the alt-right, people know what they're getting into when they join. I don't see the issue, and I don't buy into "horseshoe theory" or the idea that far left and far right are just two sides of the same coin, because they're not. You're hearing lots about late stage capitalism because of the times we're in. You're hearing lots about gender identity because until recently in modern capitalist society it was dangerous for people who didn't fit traditional gender norms to express that openly.
  - friend_and_foe 3y ago
    Well so is the Hyprland community, yet we seem to be discussing the merits of deciding for them how they limit speech. We don't want them to do it how they see fit as you put it, because their criteria are not to our liking. I personally find the politicization of everything off putting and won't contribute to projects that do it. I'd call the constant push to shoehorn gender identity into every crevice of our lives toxic and I'd say it drives me and other people away. But that's OK right, because they don't want people like me contributing, that's the point, and maybe I have a right to not want people like them contributing in my projects also, maybe I don't want to be inclusive towards people that aren't inclusive towards me.

shrimp_emoji 3y ago

Wow, I think I'm too lawful left aligned to handle that level of "chaos". D: