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Who said that all communities should be “non toxic” and inclusive? It is definitely idiotic to lose possibly valuable members because of pronouns, but it’s thei

Who said that all communities should be “non toxic” and inclusive? It is definitely idiotic to lose possibly valuable members because of pronouns, but it’s their own community.

goku12 3y ago
I was going to just neglect this thinking that Drew may be subjecting this community to his strict standards. But then, there is this: > And so, one of the moderators changed the pronouns in their nickname to “who/cares” This is very a specific and active involvement of a moderator in the act. Such interventions are a gross misuse of moderator privileges in any community. > Let’s be real, this isn’t like, calling someone the N-word or something. That's a low effort attempt at downplaying and justifying an act in bad faith. If you go back long enough, you would find similar roots for the N-word (quoting wikipedia: "It was initially seen as a relatively neutral term"). It became so obnoxious because of the involvement of hateful people with the word. The same will eventually happen here. > Who said that all communities should be “non toxic” and inclusive? To this, the following quote is relevant: > Later he describes a more moderated community (the /r/unixporn discord server) as having an environment in which everyone is going to “lick your butthole just to be nice”. They aren't just tolerating bad behavior in their own community. They take a vocal stance of hatred towards other communities that don't. > but it’s their own community. So are the proud boys and neonazis. They all start like this by tolerating hate and brushing aside criticism in the name of joke. I don't know where you'd draw a line. For now though, I think Drew is justified in calling this out. I do use software from people whose political views I cannot agree with. But they all keep their politics and their communities separate. This is not like that. This is one community I want to stay away from. Using their software keeps the possibility of that encounter open. This blog is useful for people like me.
- shrimp_emoji 3y ago
  > This is very a specific and active involvement of a moderator in the act. Such interventions are a gross misuse of moderator privileges in any community. Oh, they can't express themselves? They can't express their sentiment of gender abolition because mental illness makes some people care a fuckton about gender? What cool logic
  - goku12 3y ago
    > Oh, they can't express themselves? Misusing moderator privileges to modify someone else's profile to mock their gender identity isn't exactly what normal people call 'expressing themselves'. > because mental illness makes some people care a fuckton about gender? It's genuinely amusing to see a bunch of people in this era hold neolithic-age ideas about what mental illness is. If you haven't noticed, the concept of mental health and gender identity has changed a lot in the past century.
lijok 3y ago
You're free to have a toxic, noninclusive community. Setup a login window in your discord server that clearly states "This is a toxic, transphobic, homophobic, racist, etc community. By clicking the Agree button you forfeit all rights to being treated with any form of respect and acknowledge you may be attacked, harassed, doxxed and threatened for any reason at any time. If you complain in any way shape or form, you will be immediately blocked without warning." You can use mee6 to set that up and enjoy your toxic and non-inclusive community. The absence of any such login window implies that a basic social contract is followed, which this community is clearly in violation of.

Who said that all communities should be “non toxic” and inclusive? It is definitely idiotic to lose possibly valuable members because of pronouns, but it’s their own community.

goku12 3y ago

I was going to just neglect this thinking that Drew may be subjecting this community to his strict standards. But then, there is this: > And so, one of the moderators changed the pronouns in their nickname to “who/cares” This is very a specific and active involvement of a moderator in the act. Such interventions are a gross misuse of moderator privileges in any community. > Let’s be real, this isn’t like, calling someone the N-word or something. That's a low effort attempt at downplaying and justifying an act in bad faith. If you go back long enough, you would find similar roots for the N-word (quoting wikipedia: "It was initially seen as a relatively neutral term"). It became so obnoxious because of the involvement of hateful people with the word. The same will eventually happen here. > Who said that all communities should be “non toxic” and inclusive? To this, the following quote is relevant: > Later he describes a more moderated community (the /r/unixporn discord server) as having an environment in which everyone is going to “lick your butthole just to be nice”. They aren't just tolerating bad behavior in their own community. They take a vocal stance of hatred towards other communities that don't. > but it’s their own community. So are the proud boys and neonazis. They all start like this by tolerating hate and brushing aside criticism in the name of joke. I don't know where you'd draw a line. For now though, I think Drew is justified in calling this out. I do use software from people whose political views I cannot agree with. But they all keep their politics and their communities separate. This is not like that. This is one community I want to stay away from. Using their software keeps the possibility of that encounter open. This blog is useful for people like me.

shrimp_emoji 3y ago
> This is very a specific and active involvement of a moderator in the act. Such interventions are a gross misuse of moderator privileges in any community. Oh, they can't express themselves? They can't express their sentiment of gender abolition because mental illness makes some people care a fuckton about gender? What cool logic
- goku12 3y ago
  > Oh, they can't express themselves? Misusing moderator privileges to modify someone else's profile to mock their gender identity isn't exactly what normal people call 'expressing themselves'. > because mental illness makes some people care a fuckton about gender? It's genuinely amusing to see a bunch of people in this era hold neolithic-age ideas about what mental illness is. If you haven't noticed, the concept of mental health and gender identity has changed a lot in the past century.

lijok 3y ago

You're free to have a toxic, noninclusive community. Setup a login window in your discord server that clearly states "This is a toxic, transphobic, homophobic, racist, etc community. By clicking the Agree button you forfeit all rights to being treated with any form of respect and acknowledge you may be attacked, harassed, doxxed and threatened for any reason at any time. If you complain in any way shape or form, you will be immediately blocked without warning." You can use mee6 to set that up and enjoy your toxic and non-inclusive community. The absence of any such login window implies that a basic social contract is followed, which this community is clearly in violation of.