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14% is a lot -- the US is just 4% of the world population. Targeting that subset in the US and other countries, seems to have real effects, the opposite to wha

14% is a lot -- the US is just 4% of the world population. Targeting that subset in the US and other countries, seems to have real effects, the opposite to what you said. (if whatever methods chosen to influence their behaviour, actually worked).

wtcactus 3y ago
The argument that X country it's "only" Y% of global population effectively rewards over population and put in question people being allowed to migrate into the West. USA is a huge country, and compared to many Asian countries, it's not polluting anywhere near the same amount compared to their available natural resources. The same way you may feel it's acceptable to tell Americans: "well, consume less", others else should feel acceptable to tell China and others: "well, procreate less".
- sgerenser 3y ago
  China already does procreate far less. 1.16 children per woman[1], vs. U.S. 1.66 per woman[2]. [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/270164/fertility-rate-in-china/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/270164/fertility-rate-in... [2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/269941/fertility-rate-in-the-us/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/269941/fertility-rate-in...
  - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
    How did China's fertility rate drop so quickly? They were at 1.81 in 2017 and then...1.16 in 2021? It doesn't seem to be related to just the pandemic. The only thing that makes sense is maybe the government going from discouraging fertility to encouraging it (i.e. people just do the opposite of what the government encourages them to do).
    - cutemonster 3y ago
      Doesn't need to be current time events causing that. Look at the population pyramid - look at how much fewer people there are, below 30 (a sharp dip), and a small shortage of women on top of that. That's 30 years lag https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_China https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_China (from 2020)

wtcactus 3y ago

The argument that X country it's "only" Y% of global population effectively rewards over population and put in question people being allowed to migrate into the West. USA is a huge country, and compared to many Asian countries, it's not polluting anywhere near the same amount compared to their available natural resources. The same way you may feel it's acceptable to tell Americans: "well, consume less", others else should feel acceptable to tell China and others: "well, procreate less".

sgerenser 3y ago
China already does procreate far less. 1.16 children per woman[1], vs. U.S. 1.66 per woman[2]. [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/270164/fertility-rate-in-china/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/270164/fertility-rate-in... [2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/269941/fertility-rate-in-the-us/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/269941/fertility-rate-in...
- seanmcdirmid 3y ago
  How did China's fertility rate drop so quickly? They were at 1.81 in 2017 and then...1.16 in 2021? It doesn't seem to be related to just the pandemic. The only thing that makes sense is maybe the government going from discouraging fertility to encouraging it (i.e. people just do the opposite of what the government encourages them to do).
  - cutemonster 3y ago
    Doesn't need to be current time events causing that. Look at the population pyramid - look at how much fewer people there are, below 30 (a sharp dip), and a small shortage of women on top of that. That's 30 years lag https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_China https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_China (from 2020)