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There was a famous flooding in the Netherlands in 1953 that was basically predicted by engineers but the country was broke after WW2. I think Libya is the same

There was a famous flooding in the Netherlands in 1953 that was basically predicted by engineers but the country was broke after WW2. I think Libya is the same? They just came out of a civil war.

thriftwy 3y ago
They actually never "came" out of civil war. They're still a fractured failed state. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/15/libya-and-morocco-two-very-different-responses-to-catastrophe https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/15/libya-and-moro...
cool_dude85 3y ago
Calling the situation in Libya a civil war is accurate but sort of elides the real situation. Libya has not recovered from the NATO regime change operation to remove Gaddafi from power. The civil war is the outcome of the regime change operation.
- alephxyz 3y ago
  Except the civil war started a month and a half before NATO intervention
  - rlewczuk 3y ago
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  - orwin 3y ago
    And one of the civil war war chief, Abdelfattah Younès, was contacted by the DGSE before the civil war started according to Hillary's emails. The DGSE might have given training and advice even before that. Also French and British diplomats lied about strikes on civil population by Kaddafi to the US and the UN (unclear if the SIS/Mi6 was played by its French counterpart or participated on forging evidence). At least the warchief that met Sarkozy was killed within the week Hillary received the information that he worked way too closely with the French, it might be happenstance, but I'd rather believe the Cia was involved somehow (if not, they're way, way less competent than everybody think) Check for Blumenthal emails on wikileaks, you'll get even more details.
- landemva 3y ago
  US and France made airstrikes on Libya destroying infrastructure. The "spreading democracy" line is seen as Western imperialism which spreads suffering. https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/03/22/libya-and-the-myth-of-humanitarian-intervention https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/03/22/libya-and-the-myth-of-h... Libya had given up their quest to obtain nuclear weapons, yet they were still destroyed by the West. North Korea can read this history, so they dig in more fiercly to prevent a similar outcome. https://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/30/how-the-miserable-death-of-moammar-gadhafi-factors-into-kim-jong-uns-nuclear-ambitions.html https://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/30/how-the-miserable-death-of-m...

There was a famous flooding in the Netherlands in 1953 that was basically predicted by engineers but the country was broke after WW2. I think Libya is the same? They just came out of a civil war.

thriftwy 3y ago

They actually never "came" out of civil war. They're still a fractured failed state. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/15/libya-and-morocco-two-very-different-responses-to-catastrophe https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/15/libya-and-moro...

cool_dude85 3y ago

Calling the situation in Libya a civil war is accurate but sort of elides the real situation. Libya has not recovered from the NATO regime change operation to remove Gaddafi from power. The civil war is the outcome of the regime change operation.

alephxyz 3y ago
Except the civil war started a month and a half before NATO intervention
- rlewczuk 3y ago
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- orwin 3y ago
  And one of the civil war war chief, Abdelfattah Younès, was contacted by the DGSE before the civil war started according to Hillary's emails. The DGSE might have given training and advice even before that. Also French and British diplomats lied about strikes on civil population by Kaddafi to the US and the UN (unclear if the SIS/Mi6 was played by its French counterpart or participated on forging evidence). At least the warchief that met Sarkozy was killed within the week Hillary received the information that he worked way too closely with the French, it might be happenstance, but I'd rather believe the Cia was involved somehow (if not, they're way, way less competent than everybody think) Check for Blumenthal emails on wikileaks, you'll get even more details.
landemva 3y ago
US and France made airstrikes on Libya destroying infrastructure. The "spreading democracy" line is seen as Western imperialism which spreads suffering. https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/03/22/libya-and-the-myth-of-humanitarian-intervention https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/03/22/libya-and-the-myth-of-h... Libya had given up their quest to obtain nuclear weapons, yet they were still destroyed by the West. North Korea can read this history, so they dig in more fiercly to prevent a similar outcome. https://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/30/how-the-miserable-death-of-moammar-gadhafi-factors-into-kim-jong-uns-nuclear-ambitions.html https://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/30/how-the-miserable-death-of-m...