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Right. For something so ho-hum, there's too many signs of suspicion-inducing secrecy showing, such as the fact that they didn't announce the guy's name who was

Right. For something so ho-hum, there's too many signs of suspicion-inducing secrecy showing, such as the fact that they didn't announce the guy's name who was going to lead it, then probably realized that that would just further any conspiracy theories around it (justifiably), then they DID announce his name... When I learned this yesterday I said aloud "FFS" because it's such a dumb human foible. If this was in fact a coverup, the only reason it's worked so long (despite humans being unable to keep secrets) is due to two things: 1) the implausibility of the premise 2) the ridicule of the claimants 3) the compartmentalization of the information, and possibly 4) the threat of unknown agents The thing is, the truth eventually always comes out. How do you think this is going to look, once it does?

refulgentis 3y ago
You said "right" at the beginning then got reproachful at the end. In between there's a lot of material and references that won't be obvious to other people. So I'm confused. But I'm pretty sure they'll be just fine, as long as the reptilians continue suppressing the truth.* * my understanding of why people get drawn into these nothing-burgers is you see new info, you think somethings around the corner where all those skeptics are proven wrong. years pass, and people either acknowledge it was a nothing burger or escalate claims to explain away why there's all these aliens bouncing around, everyone would want to hear that, Congress is demanding anyone who claims such be given a wide bearth and credence and yet....still nothing.
- david-gpu 3y ago
  > But I'm pretty sure they'll be just fine, as long as the reptilians continue suppressing the truth If you can't resist ridiculing people who are trying to maintain a respectful friendly conversation with you online, you are reinforcing their conviction that stigma and ridicule are preventing the subject from being studied earnestly. Are you in the habit of sneering at people in other subjects as well?
  - refulgentis 3y ago
    I took the end of your comment as in good humor and not a sneer. Then, as always in communication, I tried to meet you where you were, seemingly in good humor on the subject and self-aware. If I knew it'd hurt you I wouldn't have said it. My deepest apologies. You didn't deserve that, at all.
david-gpu 3y ago
Paraphrasing here, perhaps the best way to maintain a conspiracy, in the non-pejorative sense, may be to classify the evidence and run a systematic campaign of ridicule and misinformation so that whenever a whistleblower comes out they can be rapidly labeled as a kook regardless of their bona fides. I'm on the fence on this subject, finding both some merits and demerits to the arguments of both detractors and supporters of the NHI hypothesis. Until we have publicly available concrete data to analyze, all we are doing is speculating and slinging mud at each other. The difference being that the proponents of the NHI hypothesis are all for obtaining and releasing such data, while the critics appear to be very comfortable with the status quo of secrecy.
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forgofuture 3y ago
NASA and Pentagon employees have been harassed and threatened by fanatical UFO people. Some of these individuals are connected to Lue Elizondo. Elizondo and the elders of the UFO Core Story team create “secret” groups and have been trying for 40-years to get their own UFO program. They intimidate anyone who challenges their narrative. They first described it as the Secret Onion around 1988 in Jacques Vallee’s diaries. These are intelligence affiliated people and former “psychic spies” who are pawns of counterintelligence and victims of their own delusions and greed. You can read below how Elizondo claimed to be a 33rd degree Freemason. They have groups like the Invisibles, the Cosmic Club and all these other fake elite scientist groups where they network. There’s a Stanford professor who lies about “working with the CIA” when in reality, none of these people have security clearances. The professor works with an ex-CIA employee from 40-years ago on privately funded cases. They repeat rumors that ex-CIA or ex-DoD people repeat. These rumors, lies and sophisticated hoaxes originate from multiple unrelated sources. There is definitely an illegal aspect and unknown actors involved in sophisticated hoaxes for decades. All of this related to war and geopolitical tactics but it is impossible to uncover because it is outside the government and obfuscated behind legitimate counterintelligence and the real national security risk of advance UAS. Lue Elizondo claims to be 33rd degree Freemason- https://medium.com/@osirisuap/my-search-for-the-truth-about-ufos-part-3-red-flags-red-flags-everywhere-c6fe43021dbd https://medium.com/@osirisuap/my-search-for-the-truth-about-...
- mcpackieh 3y ago
  To be fair, at least the Freemasons exist. It's mostly just a drinking club for men who want a reprieve from their wives. Claiming to be a Freemason might be a lie, but it's a mundane sort of claim to make.
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refulgentis 3y ago

You said "right" at the beginning then got reproachful at the end. In between there's a lot of material and references that won't be obvious to other people. So I'm confused. But I'm pretty sure they'll be just fine, as long as the reptilians continue suppressing the truth.* * my understanding of why people get drawn into these nothing-burgers is you see new info, you think somethings around the corner where all those skeptics are proven wrong. years pass, and people either acknowledge it was a nothing burger or escalate claims to explain away why there's all these aliens bouncing around, everyone would want to hear that, Congress is demanding anyone who claims such be given a wide bearth and credence and yet....still nothing.

david-gpu 3y ago
> But I'm pretty sure they'll be just fine, as long as the reptilians continue suppressing the truth If you can't resist ridiculing people who are trying to maintain a respectful friendly conversation with you online, you are reinforcing their conviction that stigma and ridicule are preventing the subject from being studied earnestly. Are you in the habit of sneering at people in other subjects as well?
- refulgentis 3y ago
  I took the end of your comment as in good humor and not a sneer. Then, as always in communication, I tried to meet you where you were, seemingly in good humor on the subject and self-aware. If I knew it'd hurt you I wouldn't have said it. My deepest apologies. You didn't deserve that, at all.

david-gpu 3y ago

Paraphrasing here, perhaps the best way to maintain a conspiracy, in the non-pejorative sense, may be to classify the evidence and run a systematic campaign of ridicule and misinformation so that whenever a whistleblower comes out they can be rapidly labeled as a kook regardless of their bona fides. I'm on the fence on this subject, finding both some merits and demerits to the arguments of both detractors and supporters of the NHI hypothesis. Until we have publicly available concrete data to analyze, all we are doing is speculating and slinging mud at each other. The difference being that the proponents of the NHI hypothesis are all for obtaining and releasing such data, while the critics appear to be very comfortable with the status quo of secrecy.

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forgofuture 3y ago

NASA and Pentagon employees have been harassed and threatened by fanatical UFO people. Some of these individuals are connected to Lue Elizondo. Elizondo and the elders of the UFO Core Story team create “secret” groups and have been trying for 40-years to get their own UFO program. They intimidate anyone who challenges their narrative. They first described it as the Secret Onion around 1988 in Jacques Vallee’s diaries. These are intelligence affiliated people and former “psychic spies” who are pawns of counterintelligence and victims of their own delusions and greed. You can read below how Elizondo claimed to be a 33rd degree Freemason. They have groups like the Invisibles, the Cosmic Club and all these other fake elite scientist groups where they network. There’s a Stanford professor who lies about “working with the CIA” when in reality, none of these people have security clearances. The professor works with an ex-CIA employee from 40-years ago on privately funded cases. They repeat rumors that ex-CIA or ex-DoD people repeat. These rumors, lies and sophisticated hoaxes originate from multiple unrelated sources. There is definitely an illegal aspect and unknown actors involved in sophisticated hoaxes for decades. All of this related to war and geopolitical tactics but it is impossible to uncover because it is outside the government and obfuscated behind legitimate counterintelligence and the real national security risk of advance UAS. Lue Elizondo claims to be 33rd degree Freemason- https://medium.com/@osirisuap/my-search-for-the-truth-about-ufos-part-3-red-flags-red-flags-everywhere-c6fe43021dbd https://medium.com/@osirisuap/my-search-for-the-truth-about-...

mcpackieh 3y ago
To be fair, at least the Freemasons exist. It's mostly just a drinking club for men who want a reprieve from their wives. Claiming to be a Freemason might be a lie, but it's a mundane sort of claim to make.
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